Foot & Mouth being Revealed !!!!!!!

[Aled_cky]

over the past few months i have been reading some of the front news headlines in the 'Farmers Weekly' magazine, the magazine are investigating the foot and mouth outbreak in 2001.

the magazine 'Private Eye' also a few years back found out that the Government(Ministry) had been producing the F & M desease in secret labs, now Farmers Weekly are trying to find the truth.

 

today i read that the Farmers Weekly had found out that the Pig Farmer in Cornwall had had 8sheep brought into 1 of his sheds by the ministry which were very ill, a few days later they found F & M in his pigs and then accused him(the ministry).

the farmers Weekly also found out that the F & M disease does not spread in the wind over 200metres.

 

a farmer my dad knows and has been dealing stock with for 30years saw a helicopter go over a neighbours land near Cumbria, and the helicopter was spraying liquid. 4days later the farm was accused of F & M and there was noone within 20miles at the time that had it.

 

as they say in the House of Commons, THIS GOVERNMENT,(my bit) HAS DONE NOTHING GOOD, GET THEM OUT ASAP!.

 

Aled

[Yorkshire Pudding]

What on earth are you on about now ?

 

I think you'll find that lots of nasty bugs are stored at a place called Porton Down a mod establishment.

Contained at Porton Down are such nastys as Anthrax , bubonic plague , F&M , smallpox etc .

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=...and+mouth&meta=

 

all the best yis yp :thumbs:

[the last engineer]

over the past few months i have been reading some of the front news headlines in the 'Farmers Weekly' magazine, the magazine are investigating the foot and mouth outbreak in 2001.

 

THIS GOVERNMENT,(my bit) HAS DONE NOTHING GOOD, GET THEM OUT ASAP!.

 

Aled

i recall the time of the outbreak you guys suffered , it was criminal the way the government handled the issue ,but as usual ,accountability seems to elude them very well, i recall an incident i was told of that involved a farmer loosing his entire stock/herd ( destroyed on order ,by the army ) only to find out they had the wrong farm ,i hope this wasnt true ,i can't imagine the feelings of loosing generations of bred cattle ,has to have a devastating effect on the industry.

 

my mother and father came over at that time , and we had to make a solid effort to stay away from all farms and or agriculture areas over here.

 

we have the mad cow issue with the states,,,,still ,they wont allow any alberta beef (the best in the world ) across without problems (political as usual) even when it was discovered that the animal originaly infected came in from the states ?? fancy that . :thumbs:

 

Aled its a shame the governments get away with the **** they do so when it comes time ,do your duty and rid yourself of planks in power.

 

Martin

[Aled_cky]

ah thanks TLE. and yes that did happen with the Army, it happened to many farms(above 50+).

and YP, in Farmers Weekly i think they something about the 8Sheep came from Porton Down. i know theres some connection with them to do with it all.

Aled

[barrie0]

I think aled is on about this .

 

THE RECOGNISED theory on foot-and-mouth disease transmission has been thrown into doubt by a FARMERS WEEKLY investigation.

 

The government's official version of events stated that the disease was carried through the air from Bobby Waugh's pig unit at Burnside Farm, Heddon-on-the-Wall, directly to cattle and sheep at Prestwick Hall Farm, Ponteland.

 

The theory's detractors have long claimed that this was highly unlikely, even impossible, because the PanAsia Type O virus strain does not travel well through air beyond 200m (660ft).

 

Now with the emergence of the Northumberland Trading Standards video, taken on Bobby Waugh’s Burnside Farm in Feb 2001 (News, Oct 29), FW has unearthed evidence of a possible alternative mode of transmission.

 

The video shows a dog tearing at a dead sheep on Burnside's rubbish heap and has begged the question from all of those who have seen the video, "How did the sheep get there?".

 

Speaking to Mr Waugh, FW has learned that the animal shown in the video was one of eight dead sheep, brought on to the farm on Jan 24, 2001 – four weeks before the disease was confirmed at the farm.

 

Mr Waugh said that the sheep were brought to his farm by a man, whose name is withheld, from land near to Prestwick Hall Farm.

 

"We put the sheep in a shed out of the way for a while because Jim Dring [the government vet] was due to carry out his inspection for my Article 26 licence that afternoon," he said.

 

The sheep were dragged out of the shed and burned over the next few days.

 

Bristol University professor, Sheila Crispin, said: "The presence of the sheep at Burnside Farm and the emerging details of the movements from a site near Prestwick Hall, create considerable uncertainty over the agreed transmission theory."

 

"With the weather around Heddon-on-the-Wall in February 2001 and what we know of the PanAsia Type O strain, it would have been very difficult indeed for the virus to have travelled from Burnside Farm to Prestwick Hall Farm without [first] infecting the sheep flocks and cattle and pig herds in between," she said.

 

For more of Prof Crispin's views see Did the disease start in sheep?

 

The revelation was also described as "startling" by a senior civil servant, who was privy to the decision-making process at the heart of government’s F&M control centre.

 

"I forget who first came up with the airborne theory," said the civil servant.

 

"Some disagreed with it because the Type O strain does not travel in this way. But gradually the weight of opinion swung behind the airborne theorists because there was no other hard evidence for any other transmission method."

 

"With what we now know we must look again at the other theories – after all, the contiguous cull was linked to the airborne theory," the civil servant said.

 

 

There is a lot more about it on the farmers weekly web site : www.fwi.co.uk

 

Though you may have to register first (free) :thumbs:

[Aled_cky]

yeah, dad told me what it said today, but ive read the Private Eye which proved that the Governmant made the F & M outbreak, and the reason it spread so far is because they were spreading it and then they lost control of it as it spread to far.

 

arn't the Governmant still paying off the Compo they owe?

 

still it was the Governmants fault!! how about we all get our Firearms and have a revolution. :thumbs: i'd be up for it defo.

Aled

[barrie0]

There is a lot going on aled that we dont know about ie

 

In 1997, the Guardian newspaper revealed that the MoD's chemical and biological warfare research centre at Porton Down in Wiltshire had tested nerve gas on humans during the cold war, exposing more than 3,100 military personnel in gas chambers between 1945 and 1989. Many now claim their health has been permanently damaged. The report of one experiment shows that in 1956, 211 humans were exposed to Sarin. The men were sent into gas chambers, and told to remove their gas masks for up to two minutes. They commented they felt that "they had blinkers on", or that "it feels like you are looking down a gun barrel".

 

Scientists from Porton Down conducted more than 200 trials over vast swaths of Britain during the cold war, disseminatuing organisms and chemicals from planes and ships. Over an eighteen month period in the early 1950s, scientists regularly sprayed organisms around the British Museum's vast underground warehouse at Westwood Quarry, Wiltshire, as part of an anti-Soviet CBW programme. They found that "it is not difficult to predict the course of events should a bacterial spray be released by a saboteur inside a large building... diffusion would be rapid and complete throughout the building".

 

The scientists also turned their attention to trains, since "all types of transport are now generally recognised as beiong likely to be one of the most important targets for special operations in a war of the future. It would be particularly important in the early stages to hamper the deployment of troops; at later stages, subversive attacks on trains crowded with both military and civilian personnel might well cause considerable dislocation." In 1953 and 1954, trials were carried out on a rail line between Exeter and Salisbury. Clouds of organisms were sprayed within a tunnel, enveloping the train as it passed through. On other occasions, organisms were released within trains.

 

In the 60s and 70s the Ministry of Defence (MoD) conducted germ warfare tests in London and the Southeast that involved dropping "simulants" of biological warfare agents from aeroplanes over populated areas to test how they would disperse under different weather conditions. Some were left in boxes in test locations including west London, central Southampton and around Porton Down. Some were even released from canisters on the London Underground. Simulants were also sprayed into the air from a ship off Lyme Bay in Dorset.

 

The existence of these tests were kept secret until the disclosure of a 1998 report by Professor Brian Spratt, a leading Oxford University scientist, which led to the MoD confirming it had continued the tests until at least 1977. The MoD stated that the tests were kept secret because of "the risks to national security." In fact most of the covert CBW programmes carried out by Britain have only recently been revealed. The experiments on the London Underground were deliberately hidden under the innocent title of "ventilation trials". Of these, one senior official wrote at the time: "I am convinced of the vital need for these trials, which impose no hazard to the public, although clearly knowledge of them by unauthorised persons could be politically embarrassing."

 

Since the 1980s the Ministry of Defence also carried out germ-warfare trials using live E-Coli and other bacteria such as Bacillus globigii (which can cause disease in humans) and these test are continuing to this day. The trials involve releasing bacteria into the air on MoD land to see if army testing equipment can trace the germs. Such germs, whose behaviour mimics biological warfare agents such as anthrax, have been shown in a recent independent inquiry to cause pneumonia, blood poisoning and lung infections if inhaled. For people with breathing problems or poor immune systems, the E-Coli strain used in the tests can cause septicaemia, fever, pneumonia and chest infections. The trials are classified and it is not known how many bacteria are being released, nor how close the test sites are to civilian areas. Scientists fear the bacteria are drifting into residential areas and disclosure of the tests prompted calls from MPs for an inquiry into the justification for and safety of the tests. Professor Spratt stated: "I think these tests are going on all the time." Consideration should be given to the fact that the MoD owns thousands of acres of land throughout Britain.

 

Internal MoD documents have revealed that military scientists at Porton Down wanted to test potentially lethal nerve gas on humans as recently as 1995. Under the proposal, military personnel would have been exposed to low levels of Sarin nerve gas for ten hours. But the test did not go ahead after the ministry decided the experiment could be done through computer modelling instead.

 

Nerve gas experiments on humans have never been formally stopped at Porton Down, even though the US and Canada officially halted all such trials more than twenty years ago. Porton Down's experiments are currently being subjected to a lengthy investigation by Wiltshire police: since August 1997, a squad of 14 officers has been examining the case of Ronald Maddison, an RAF mechanic who died in 1953 after liquid Sarin was dropped on his skin. They are also investigating whether people were duped into volunteering.

 

A full list of human experiments was described for the first time in the annual reports of Porton Down's ethics committee, which were released to Ken Livingstone MP. These papers disclosed that in 1996, scientists proposed a "study of the effects of prolonged exposure to a low concentration of Sarin vapour on vision and performance" of volunteers. The proposal was submitted to the establishment's ethics committee, and rejected.

 

Porton Down last tested nerve gas on humans in 1989, to assess the effects on the eye. Porton Down disclosed to Mr. Livingstone that in the trial, 23 humans were exposed to "low levels" of Sarin for more than six hours. Nerve gas constricts the pupils rapidly so that vision becomes very dim and blurred in broad daylight, sometimes for several days. "The response of the volunteers exposed was variable," according to Porton Down staff; who concluded that the amount of Sarin used in the experiment would not have prevented military personnel from carrying out their combat duties.

 

 

 

From http://www.wakeupmag.co.uk/articles/biochem.htm

 

Or go here http://www.guardian.co.uk/ and do a search the archive for Porton Down

[Aled_cky]

that is just sickening, and they said that Saddam was bad.

i will proberly never be able to sleep properly again - i cant anyway.

but thanks for the very informative / information talk.

Aled

[Deako]

Between 1983 and 1989, I served in the Air Force as a weapons tech, nothing too exciting, just routine servicing of bombs, missiles, etc...

 

Every couple of months we would get a circular come round which asked for people to volunteer to go to Porton Down for a week to 'help with tests'...it was never stated what it was until you got there, but you were paid a £200 lump sum for your troubles.

 

You wouldn't believe the number of daft ***** that actually went... :thumbs:

[Yorkshire Pudding]

barrie0

 

Are you the jurno for the indy or do you just cut an paste the links i put up ?

 

 

all the best yis yp :thumbs:

[barrie0]

YP

You don't think I would type all that by hand do you ,Ctrl-C + Ctrl-V =copy+paste

 

All the best yp :thumbs:

 

 

Ps why don,t you get your scam man to do a deep heat a la withnail , tell him it's an old yorkshire tradition of friendship (you may have to post him some)and post the piccys