Hunter2 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I have just got my SGC and FAC today good going as it was sent in 25th June had my interview last week and its now here today. (I am sure this has come up before but my wording is different in the posts I have looked at) Condition 5 ….…..rifles and sound moderator and ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used for the shooting of vermin and for zeroing on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm from the person by whom shooting rights are owned or from whom they may be leased or otherwise obtained. Ok is it open….or closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Closed. You can only shoot cleared land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmer_fudd Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Closed, new wording to me though ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 closed same wording as gwent wait six months put in for open license make sure you use plenty of ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2 Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 ok guys You say "closed" meaning i can only shoot on land that i have given them...(which is two different farms ) and that land has been cleared already in the past so meaning i can only shoot on this land and no other unless i get a permission document signed and sent in (as long as it cleared for the calibres right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 thats right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 means you need to have all land you want to shoot on checked by fuzz for them to make sure it safe to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ok just my two Pennie's worth just because it's passed don't mean every part of the lands safe to shoot with the rifle . So whats the bloody point , if they class you suitable to own a rifle then you should be safe enough to use a rifle if that makes sense . Take care as you cannot do anything after the trigger is pulled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2 Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks guys, I shoot in hertfordshire and was also looking for some land in bedfordshire and you have answered the question, Any new land to be added would need to be cleared/already cleared, then permission doc obtained and submitted. it was just the wording on condition 5 that got me as i had seen others with different wording if this makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) I would say it is open, I have this on my cert and i applied for trophy stalking, this means i can go and use the rifle on anywhere that has been approved for that calibre as long as I have permission from the land owner or the owner of the shooting rights. Edit - I can confirm it is open according to my FEO as i have just asked him, all firearms will have a condition stating that they can only be used on grounds deemed suitable by the C.C of the local force Edited July 17, 2008 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) I would say it is open, I have this on my cert and i applied for trophy stalking, this means i can go and use the rifle on anywhere that has been approved for that calibre as long as I have permission from the land owner or the owner of the shooting rights. Edit - I can confirm it is open according to my FEO as i have just asked him, all firearms will have a condition stating that they can only be used on grounds deemed suitable by the C.C of the local force Nope, it is most definitely closed. I don't have my cert with me at work, but from what I remember the wording for an open cert is something like this... ….…..rifles and sound moderator and ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used for the shooting of vermin and for zeroing on land over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm from the person by whom shooting rights are owned or from whom they may be leased or otherwise obtained. i.e Nothing about Chief of police deeming it suitable. Edited July 17, 2008 by Browning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Not sure if it differs in scotland to england but any land that a firearm is to be used on must be ok'd by the police force at some time, not specifically for each person but for the calibre. And I can certainly trophy stalk anywhere ok'd by the land owner/permission owner and my cert also has this condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) Not sure if it differs in scotland to england but any land that a firearm is to be used on must be ok'd by the police force at some time, not specifically for each person but for the calibre. What your FEO has told you simply isn't true I'm afraid. An 'open' certificate or, as the police prefer to call it, a 'less restrictive certificate' has no mention of the Chief Constable, hence allowing the certificate holder to decide for themselves whether the land they are to shoot on is suitable. From what I have read Scottish police forces tend to be more accommodating when giving out open certificates so I am confused at your FEO's response! Edited July 17, 2008 by alexm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffs-Shooter Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Not long had my FAC & the wording is as per the queried wording therefore i would say its closed as i can see them giving a new holder an open license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Open ticket On an open ticket the following wording is used ,,, land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot Non Open Ticket On an Non open ticket the following wording is used ,,,Land deemed suitable by the Chief officer of Police for the area where the land is situated and over which the Holder has Lawful Authority to Shoot. simple enough even the thick should be able to understand that? cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2 Posted July 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Its closed, In simple terms,I can shoot on land that i have permission to shoot on/over as long as i obtain written permission and forward a copy to my local Firearms licensing HQ As long as this land has been cleared for the calibres i have. Thanks for all the replies i thought it was interesting the way it has been written Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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