dogfox Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 ok, im 16, big into hunting, am fully insured, member of a gun club and have a sgc, now i dont plan on getting it now, but sometime over the next 2 years, im going to apply for a fac, mostlikely a .17hmr, now im wondering, how easy will it be for me to get the fac or will they just deny it?, also, ive heard that the hmr is bad with wind being very light, but very accurate up to 200 yards with a very flat trajectory, which is what i want. now i have a legitimate reason to have it, (loads of foxes, and bunnies by the thousands that are shotgun shy) and am getting a gun cabinet in the next 4 weeks. Now im not too sure about what to get, a hmr or a .22?? can anyone offer any advice or suggestions on what i should get, and how id go about it. any help appreciated. DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 A lot of forces do not like HMR for fox.... I have one and to be honest my .22 is very rarely out of the safe ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpShooter14 Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) There isn't a problem with you applying for an FAC now. You can be 14 or over to hold a firearms certificate. It is a good idea to join a club and/or be mentored by somebody you know with an FAC. You'll need to get permission from the landowner to shoot rimfire on his/her land and then your FEO (Firearms enquiry officer) will check the land to see if there are safe backstops, no public footpaths etc. (basically just to say that the land is safe and you aren't in danger of hitting anything or anyone you aren't supposed to. You'll also need two referees to write referance forms for you, this can be anybody like a school teacher, dentist, judge, accountant, doctor etc. (any upstanding citizen) and then once you've sent you whole form in you will get an interview from your FEO and that is basically just to see weather you are a nutcase or not. If not you should have no problem getting your FAC As to which calibre, I prefer the .17HMR purely because of the longer range, flatter trajectory, more stopping power and it is also less prone to ricochet. But others prefer the .22lr as a short range bunny basher at night because it is much quieter and also the ammunition is cheaper. People still shoot there .22lr out to 100 yards but there is alot of hold over needed (depending on your zero) whereas you can zero an HMR at 100yards and shoot flat from 20yards out to 130yards. Hope all this helps and it doesn't seem too daunting. Good luck Edited November 3, 2008 by SharpShooter14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Dog fox . you are obviously a young man of good charactor otherwise you would not have a shot gun certificate . I am sure that if you meet the requirements of fire arms ownership you will be granted a fire arms certificate . As you are aware fire arms ownership is different than shot gun ownership ,in so much as you need written permission from a land owner to be able to shoot on their land . Go for it young man and i wish you the best of luck . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jntree Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 dog fox dont mention sooting fox's with the 17hmr or 22 the feo will not see the rifle as being of big enough caliber to make a clean kill and may well hold it against you (even tho a well placed shot from either will do the job) best of luck with with f.a.c buddy hope it goes well best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Dog fox . you are obviously a young man of good charactor otherwise you would not have a shot gun certificate . I am sure that if you meet the requirements of fire arms ownership you will be granted a fire arms certificate . As you are aware fire arms ownership is different than shot gun ownership ,in so much as you need written permission from a land owner to be able to shoot on their land . Go for it young man and i wish you the best of luck . Harnser . Sorry Harnser i dont agree can you show me a link to this please nowhere have i seen that you need written permission from a land owner to shoot FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 dog fox dont mention sooting fox's with the 17hmr or 22 the feo will not see the rifle as being of big enough caliber to make a clean kill and may well hold it against you (even tho a well placed shot from either will do the job) best of luck with with f.a.c buddy hope it goes well best of luck Quote (loads of foxes, and bunnies by the thousands that are shotgun shy) He doesn't say he's going to shoot the rabbits either i was just warning him a lot of forces will not allow HMR for fox even though as you say they are capable of doing the job... I have had Fox stated on my ticket for the last 2 years for HMR but they rang me in June this year and said they had made a mistake.. I have just renewed my ticket and only my 223 and .22 hornet are listed now for fox... So go for a CF as well as a HMR when you decide to apply if you have just cause for one they should not turn you down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Sorry Harnser i dont agree can you show me a link to this please nowhere have i seen that you need written permission from a land owner to shoot FAC I think that if you did not have written permission from the land owner then you would not be granted a certificate in the first place . Or if you did not have oral permission from the the land owner then you would be classed as a armed intruder or at the very least a poacher . In the situation were the shooter has an open certificate oral permission would be adequet and no need to have written permission to show to the police . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) think that if you did not have written permission from the land owner then you would not be granted a certificate in the first place then you think wrong. firearms guidance clearly states written permission where possible. several times in fact. all you need to provide are a location and contact details of the farmer/land owner. the poster is in Ireland, so all this may be irrelevant. Edited November 3, 2008 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 think that if you did not have written permission from the land owner then you would not be granted a certificate in the first place then you think wrong. firearms guidance clearly states written permission where possible. several times in fact. all you need to provide are a location and contact details of the farmer/land owner. the poster is in Ireland, so all this may be irrelevant. Mark , The last time that i applied to the police for land to be surveyed was in 1960 when i was first granted a fire arms certificate .At the time of my application they insisted that i have written permission from the landowner . More to the point every time that i have renewed my ticket they have allways asked for written permission from my farmer friend . I have shot deer and vermin on many farms without written permission because i have an open certificate and have had since 1962 . What you say about the firearms guidance is i am sure correct ,but i dont find it difficult to get my farmer friend to sign a letter every five years giving me permission to shoot his farms . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Mark , The last time that i applied to the police for land to be surveyed was in 1960 when i was first granted a fire arms certificate .At the time of my application they insisted that i have written permission from the landowner . More to the point every time that i have renewed my ticket they have allways asked for written permission from my farmer friend . I have shot deer and vermin on many farms without written permission because i have an open certificate and have had since 1962 . What you say about the firearms guidance is i am sure correct ,but i dont find it difficult to get my farmer friend to sign a letter every five years giving me permission to shoot his farms . Harnseralways . hi H. i agree mate getting some folk to sign is not hard, but some just wont sign. another little bit of info for you. if at renewal and you are changing nothing,(land or guns)all you have to put on the renewal forms is NO CHANGE. some feo,s and firearms departments are at times a little to enthusiastic with the guidance but a call to your shooting organization will make things a little easier for them. right now in west yorks they have been insisting on writen permission from ALL the farms/land some people are shooting over, if these people have only one or two permissions its not a problem, if you have more than 40 it would be a pain in the ***. but as in everything FAC, we pay our money and take a chance. thanks H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Dog fox . you are obviously a young man of good charactor otherwise you would not have a shot gun certificate . I am sure that if you meet the requirements of fire arms ownership you will be granted a fire arms certificate . As you are aware fire arms ownership is different than shot gun ownership ,in so much as you need written permission from a land owner to be able to shoot on their land . Go for it young man and i wish you the best of luck . Harnser . im touched! thanks mate! and thanks for all the replies guys! i accedentally double posted this topic and didnt realise it till now both sections i posted in have given me alot more knowlege on both of them! oh and to whoever mentioned it! i wouldnt dream of telling them ill be using it to cull foxes! iwouldnt get the cup of coffee thats usually offered whenever i go up to the station! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 think that if you did not have written permission from the land owner then you would not be granted a certificate in the first place then you think wrong. firearms guidance clearly states written permission where possible. several times in fact. all you need to provide are a location and contact details of the farmer/land owner. the poster is in Ireland, so all this may be irrelevant. we do need written permission over here too, rimmies are easy to get but once you get into the centerfire realm then it gets sticky, i already have written permission documents from my current permissions which is handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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