samowen318 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have a over and under 12 bore made by a company called 'Valmet' based in Finland it has a 2 3/4 inch chamber with 27 inch barrels which i bought from a man who lives close to me. I want to use it for duck shooting but i have no idea if it is able to shoot steel or not? does anybody know anything about how i can find out if it is steel proofed or does anybody own one of these guns as i cant find anything on the internet about this gun. any information helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 It deffo won't be proofed for steel. This topic has been done to death on here... Have a little search through the forum and you should find the answers you are looking for. Bascially nothing tighter than 1/2 choke and no High performance steel through that gun of yours and you will be ok. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samowen318 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 It deffo won't be proofed for steel. This topic has been done to death on here... Have a little search through the forum and you should find the answers you are looking for. Bascially nothing tighter than 1/2 choke and no High performance steel through that gun of yours and you will be ok. Regards so its useless for ducks then? and i am going to need to get a new 12 bore for duck shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samowen318 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 what about bismuth can i use that through the same gun or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) what about bismuth can i use that through the same gun or not? Yes, as long as they are no more than 2 3/4 in length. Anser2 is the man on non-toxic shot. Edited November 20, 2008 by Trussman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) Gamebore Tungsten Matrix is near as dammit the same density as lead but non-toxic. At a quid a bang they aren't cheap but they work and as you won't be shooting bucket loads they won't burn a hole in your pocket. They are perfectly safe to go through a non-steel proofed gun too, so yours isn't useless for ducks! There are other cart alternatives too! Edited November 20, 2008 by Markio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samowen318 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 cheers lads what about tungsten i heard this is an alternative? Bismuth is very expensive i know and i dont know if i can afford to use it but it might be the only option. I read on the BASC website that something 80% of wildowl shot was shot with lead, i dont have any intentions of using lead, but whats evryone elses opinion on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 cheers lads what about tungsten i heard this is an alternative? Bismuth is very expensive i know and i dont know if i can afford to use it but it might be the only option. I read on the BASC website that something 80% of wildowl shot was shot with lead, i dont have any intentions of using lead, but whats evryone elses opinion on this? Don't be a ***, don't use lead, it's that simple, and read my reply on Tungsten. If you can't afford a box of 25 non-toxic (which will probably last you the rest of the season) then you really are in the wrong game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samowen318 Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Markio, do you think i asked for someone to tell me i am in the wrong game? no i didnt i asked about alternatives for lead not a mouthful from someone for no reason, no wonder you cant get young people interested in the sport because of people like you who are always putting people down when they are only trying to learn things and its big headed people like you who think they are so much better than everyone else. I am 16 and i am just starting out but it looks like there is no point if i 'am in the wrong game' but i can only become more knowledgeable about wildfowling if people can pass on their experience to me but it looks like you cant do that without giving someone a mouthful and at the moment i dont have as much money to spend on a £1 a Bismuth cartridge so i am looking for alternatives if thats ok with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Markio, do you think i asked for someone to tell me i am in the wrong game? no i didnt i asked about alternatives for lead not a mouthful from someone for no reason, no wonder you cant get young people interested in the sport because of people like you who are always putting people down when they are only trying to learn things and its big headed people like you who think they are so much better than everyone else. I am 16 and i am just starting out but it looks like there is no point if i 'am in the wrong game' but i can only become more knowledgeable about wildfowling if people can pass on their experience to me but it looks like you cant do that without giving someone a mouthful and at the moment i dont have as much money to spend on a £1 a Bismuth cartridge so i am looking for alternatives if thats ok with you? If you are 16, how are you buying cartridges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 If you are 16, how are you buying cartridges? That was sharp spotting Trussman...... Yer Beat me. Now then samowen18, no one is trying to get yer back up but until members know your age some people will suggest some questions are a little silly. Whether you are 16 or 50 regardless of non-toxic being dearer look at it from another angle.... Tungsten is superior to steel...superior to Bismuth. You can get a box of 25 for 20 quid and deffo gives you an edge on what you are shooting at. You dont shoot many anyway. As for the use of lead in widlfowling.... I never see it used and many of the stories you hear are scaremongering to try and force a permanent ban on lead shot. You think a pound a pop is dear try 2 1/4 oz hevi shot homeloaded in 10 gauge.... Brings tears to yer eyes when you miss I can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Markio, do you think i asked for someone to tell me i am in the wrong game? no i didnt i asked about alternatives for lead not a mouthful from someone for no reason, no wonder you cant get young people interested in the sport because of people like you who are always putting people down when they are only trying to learn things and its big headed people like you who think they are so much better than everyone else. I am 16 and i am just starting out but it looks like there is no point if i 'am in the wrong game' but i can only become more knowledgeable about wildfowling if people can pass on their experience to me but it looks like you cant do that without giving someone a mouthful and at the moment i dont have as much money to spend on a £1 a Bismuth cartridge so i am looking for alternatives if thats ok with you? It wasn't a mouthful, sorry if you took it that way (i realise that my approach can sometimes be misinterpreted). I did respond to you in my first post, which i thought was helpful information to you. My second posts was worded badly regarding the *** comment, i wasn't suggesting you were, again, it's just my approach. And i'm not big headed you tart, how you got to that rant from my comments god knows. I had no idea you are 16, and it makes no difference to me now. The fact remains that if you can't afford one box of ammo you're still in the wrong game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I'd watch yourself Markio - This young lad may 'don his hoody' and come and kick your head in........he he he Good luck with the ducks matey and as for the comments 'water off a ducks back' I would say your best bet is to go to your local gun shop and have a friendly chat with the staff - they will almost certainly be able to point you in the right direction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 That was sharp spotting Trussman...... Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taff Mason Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I would say your best bet is to go to your local gun shop and have a friendly chat with the staff - they will almost certainly be able to point you in the right direction... be carefull though mate. the idiot behind the counter of my local gun shop tried to sell me a box of super steel size 5 for geese today! then he tried to say that these were the norm! im no expert but the seemed a little small to me. probably had a job lot he needed to get rid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samowen318 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Trussman - my dad buys them i am just enquiring on behalf of him as he has only come back to shooting recently after a 15 year break. Markio - sorry for the over reaction. I took the advice and went to my local gun shop today. The man who owned the shop was a very friendly chap and he had a look at the gun and measured the chokes and he said that the barrels were very open and had been bored out, he also said that it was an old game gun and was not proofed for steel but he said that using 2 3/4 inch low charged steel cartridges without any problems because the open chokes could allow this, so now i am sorted and i bought a box of steel shot without breaking the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Now you can get shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.