Guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 A friend of my Dad's is about to apply for his SGC, reason being for his son to be able to shoot. Me/My Dad/The lads Grandad all have licences, but didn't want to put a gun on our tickets for him as we (well I anyway) feel it's best if his dad has a cert, has their own cabinet at their house and can always authorise the gun being used. Anyway, that's besides the point, he picked up the forms from the police station (West Mercia Area) and they've given him 2 lots I think. The one is the standard 4 sided booklet type form, section 101 I think. Then there are 2 loose sheets, which say section 125 at the top I seem to recall, and have spaces for a reference to write detailed account of applicant etc. the 101/125 may be the other way around, cannot be 100%. I'm sure the second lot are for a firearms (rifle) cert and he does not need them - and that simply filling in the first form, along with signed photo's, reference and the cheque will be fine. Am i right? Cheers, Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yep ithink your on the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 How old is the lad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 If he is old enough,he should get his own licence,as he would be more protected if any mishap should happen,as if you shoot on someone elses licence ,they should be the landowner/farmer apparently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbald Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 If he is old enough,he should get his own license,as he would be more protected if any mishap should happen,as if you shoot on someone Else's license ,they should be the landowner/farmer apparently... It is a common belief that you can take an unlicensed person shooting "on your certificate" This is only the case if you are the landowner or have shooting rights on the land, although I don't believe this has been tested as to who is classed as having shooting rights. It is much easier if he has his own ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Lad is only 11 - and his Dad is going to get a .410 for them to use initially. The lad lives on a jointly owned (parents/grandparents) farm of over 200 acres and his Grandad has permission surrounding the farm as well. I have been reading the other thread with interest. It was my opinion that if a SGC/Firearms license holder has permission from a land owner to shoot over their ground, then an unlicensed companion may shoot using the cert holders gun as long as they cert holder is present - for me it's no more difficult than that. If the cert holder is the land owner also, then that's a bonus, and one less thing to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Well happy days He is a lucky lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbald Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 If his father is the landowner he would be fine whilst his father is with him, as to anyone else taking him out I would check with the FEO or BASC. Hope he enjoys and sticks to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) This is only the case if you are the landowner or have shooting rights on the land, Why/how on earth would anyone be shooting on land they did not own or did not have shooting rights over? sbald - you are a scaremongering idiot - it's really not hard to understand gun law and all you're doing is putting people off shooting due to unnecessarily complicating matters and quoting hearsay and parts of the law - shut up *** - all I want to know is which part of the form they need - stay in the other thread please. When I got my first gun I was 12, and my Dad got a cert. to allow me to shoot - this also meant he could transport the gun and buy cartridges etc etc for me, as well as supervise me when I shot it (on my Grandad's and other local farms we had permission on) - my local Fire Arms Officer was well aware of this situation and happy with it as that's what he was told at the time of application. It's really not hard boys. It's better if his Dad gets the cert as he can then buy the cartridges and transport the gun in a vehicle and take him shooting. Other difficulties would be encountered if he didn't have one. This way is easiest. So they don't need the 2 loose forms am I right? Edited December 30, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 To avoid the risk of also being branded an idiot, I shall keep this brief. Form 103 is for SGC applications, form 101 is for FAC ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 My lads 11 and has his own cert if you read the regs right it states on the land owners land in the land owners presence with the land owners gun ? Although i have written permission on the land it doesn't make me the land owner So played safe and got him his own cert My way of reading things anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbald Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Sorry for trying to help. Your question was answered in the second post so I didnt see the point in answering it again. Having permission to shoot on land is not the same as owning the shooting rights, I have the right to shoot on 2000 acres of marsh but I dont own the shooting rights and cannot take an unlicensed person with me. The following is taken from the home office guidance to FEO's Shot guns 6.14 Section 11(5) of the 1968 Act allows an individual, without holding a shot gun certificate, to borrow a shot gun from the occupier of private premises and use it on those premises in the occupier’s presence. The presence of the occupier is normally taken to mean within sight and earshot of the individual borrowing the firearm. The term “occupier†is not defined in the Firearms Acts, nor has a Court clarified its meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) form 103 ( shotgun ) down load and print off http://www.basc.org.uk/media/form_103.pdf my nephew was granted his sgc last year aged just 12, for the same reasons magman gives Edited December 30, 2008 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I apologise sbald if I was harsh, but the use of so many different terms unnecessarily confuses the matter. Land owner/occupier is one thing, owning shooting rights is another, and having permission another again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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