refused a .22LR

[Cushat]

To play devils advocate here for a minute, what do you class as an unreasonable condition?

 

Unreasonable in who's eyes? The Cheif Constable can and does impose restrictions on certain certificates, normally for good reason.

 

I am not looking for an argument, I am just asking.

 

I can shoot foxes unsupervised but not deer.

[David BASC]

Reasonableness can be very subjective, as I am sure you will understand - but if a FLD asks for something that no other FLD asks for this could be an example of unreasonable. Similarly if a condition was put on a certificate that was well over the top this could be seen as being unreasonable.

 

It is difficult to make a definitive list of what is reasonable and what is not- I guess to a certain extent it comes down to common sense.

 

BUT the thing to remember is that because there are no hard and fast rules or fixed lists, each case must be viewed on its own based on all the facts relevant to that particular case. This can result in apparent discrepancies like we have seen here.

 

Do we want a prescriptive and thus potentially restrictive system, or are we better off overall with the current more flexible, but sometimes frustrating, system?

 

Thoughts welcome

 

David

[MC]

I can shoot foxes unsupervised but not deer.

 

Is that with the same rifle?

 

If it is then that is mad, is it a back door way of insisting on the DSC1?

 

I had a mentoring condition put on me for a .223 for fox and deer but I can use a .308 wherever I like. I was not overly worried as the guy I planned to go foxing with would have been my mentor anyway.

Edited January 19, 2009 by MC

[njc110381]

I know it's not in the guidelines as such, but Fox and Deer are seen as totally different beasts by the firearms teams.

Firstly, you can nail a Fox whenever you feel like it. Then you throw it away somewhere and forget about it.

Deer one the other hand have seasons which vary depending on species/sex. Once shot they need to be safely dealt with to ensure they are/remain fit for consumption.

 

It's a pain, and when I was mentored I felt it was very restrictive. Looking back now I really enjoyed shooting with my mentor and he taught me a lot. We still shoot together now when we have time, and I'm still learning. Even now I would like to shoot more Deer with him because I feel more confident when he's around. You can never learn too much, and he's probably shot as many Deer as I have Rabbits!

[dogfox]

never underestimate the .22, weve had fox out to 90yds with a .22 before, granted they were in perfect conditions where a headshot could be guaranteed, and with dum dum'd subs my god did they drop fast, anything higher than 75yds its generally better to use a Centerfire to be sure to be sure

[Cushat]

Fox and Deer are seen as totally different beasts by the firearms teams.

 

Ain't that the truth! Firearms legislation isn't about how you treat the carcass or identification though - it's simply about the right to own and use a firearm.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm under no illusion that I know it all, but surely if I can be trusted to go out foxing on my own on unfamiliar ground (as long as it's approved and I have permission) with a lamp in the middle of the night then I can be trusted to make the decision as to if and when I need support with deer shooting??

 

Is that with the same rifle?

 

If it is then that is mad, is it a back door way of insisting on the DSC1?

 

Yep, same rifle and definitely a backdoor way of bringing in DSC1 - the FEO was quite open with me that he wants to see DSC or testing of some form to be compulsory.