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[OLDSHOOTER]

Hi all

Its been a long time since I contributed to Pigeon Watch, so here goes.

I have in my possesion a single barrel percussion muzzel loader by F.Barnes &co of London, which i,ve had for a number

of years and wondered if anyone had any idear of its value.

It has its own case with a powder flask/shot flask/action~lock remove clamp/small oilbottle & ramrod.

I have shot it often over the years and enjoyed it immensley bringing down pigeons and crows on my forrays on varios farms.

 

Ay information about this gun would be appreciated.

 

 

KEEP SMOKING EM!!!!!!!

[Mungler]

Snotty is probably your man.

[Snotty]

Cased is good, if it has a Barnes & Co trade label in the lid that's very good.

Then it comes down to quality, condition and bore size. 16g is better than 20g, 13 or 12 is favorite.

You say the ramrod is in the case, does it not fit on the gun? If so it could be a live pigeon gun, but I'd usually expect a double.

Got any pics?

 

Snotty

[OLDSHOOTER]

hi Snotty

Yes the ram-rod goes with the gun,as to the gun makers name on the case, just looked and it is not there.

I suspect ,either its missing or another orthentic case used in it,s place. Made of hard wood with brass bands around it, the key is there to the

lock on the case,which is split and is not invery good condition.

I was thinking about restoring it but thought better to leave alone.

[Zapp]

Hi all

Its been a long time since I contributed to Pigeon Watch, so here goes.

I have in my possesion a single barrel percussion muzzel loader by F.Barnes &co of London, which i,ve had for a number

of years and wondered if anyone had any idear of its value.

It has its own case with a powder flask/shot flask/action~lock remove clamp/small oilbottle & ramrod.

I have shot it often over the years and enjoyed it immensley bringing down pigeons and crows on my forrays on varios farms.

 

Ay information about this gun would be appreciated.

 

 

KEEP SMOKING EM!!!!!!!

 

I cant help you with details on the gun, but would love to see some piccies if you wouldnt mind :wacko:

 

ZB

[Snotty]

Need pictures, Fred Barnes started trading in 1847 at 3 Union Row, Tower Hill. In 1851 he became Barnes and Co. with addresses in B'ham and London, finished in 1900.

 

Post 1851 is a late muzzle loader because in 1851 the Great Exhibition introduced pinfire then came the great palaver in The Field magazine closely followed by the London Gun Trials and the general acceptance of centre fire. There was a short lived offshoot Barnes and Co 1863-5 but that's too late for this gun. Unlikely to be an export piece, they made them for years after they were obsolete, but nearly all doubles and it's stil here.

 

Question is, did the customer pay FB enough to make him pull out all the stops, dip into his best walnut and precious metals?

 

The gun was probably made at 69 Minories, B'ham then sold at 109 Fenchurch St, London

 

Snotty

Edited January 30, 2009 by Snotty