eagle eyes Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 My 10 year old son shoots a 20b o/u which he has been getting on well with at the clay ground, Last weekend we were out and after a couple of stands he started complaining of a sore shoulder. This week i've fitted a kick eze pad on his gun which will hopefully help. I'm looking to buy him some more cartridges as we only have a couple of hundred left, Hull do a cartridge that is 20b subsonic that acording to there web site has very low recoil just wondered if anyone has tried these. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pair away Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 my wife had a similar problem a few years back ,in that she would not shoot a shotgun because she was hurt by recoil it took me 3 years to get her to hold a gun and when she did an instructor we use got her to use a semi auto ( 20g ) with sub sonic ammo , it worked as she now shoots a 12g o/u with 24g shells with out problems ( with recoil ) , good luck . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 my lad has a sbs 20 bore, he isnt very big so i got a selection of shells to try out, all the felt wad shells kicked more than the plastic wad type, in the end we settled on some 21g low recoil, i think they were game bore, although he couldnt hit a cow he's happy to bang away at clays with them until he gets a bit bigger and grows into the gun, however i took some roost shooting last year and they killed the few pigeons i managed to hit with them, its not easy when the gun is about 6" to short, but they are good shells give them a try mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Sore shoulder / cheek problems are often caused by poor gun fit and mount, rather than cartridge choice. The typical problems are that the gun is mounted onto the outer part of the shoulder, where there is little between flesh and bone, and often too low, so the head is dropped brining the cheek bone in contact. While lighter loads are a solution, couple this with good gun fit and mount. The shoulders should be reasonably square to the foot line, not dropped back. Many shooters who have not had mount training will spread their feet too wide and drop back the shooting shoulder with the gun "across" the body. The shoulders should be squarer, with the gun no more than 45 degrees off the toe line. The elbow is often too low, allowing this to happen, lift the elbow to at least 60 degrees off vertical, some people can raise to to straight out horizontally, but this high is not necessary. Raising the elbow and squaring the body brings the stock heel into the shoulder pocket, the groove below the shooters jaw on the shoulder is where the stock should be, with the weight nose over toes so that the whole heel is in contact, not just the toe. Break the front knee a little to bring the whole doby forward from the hips, a yougster may well be leaning back so that the heel is only in partial contact, and not spreading the recoil over its full surface. Correct mount allows maximum swing before canting; the head to remain stright and not cocked over the comb, the cheek bone clear of the comb, and the shoulder taking in recoil in a fleshier part where bruising is less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle eyes Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thanks for the replies, I'll see if i can get some gamebore 21g carts and i'll also have a look at his gun fit/stance and see if all is ok. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edr Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Sore shoulder / cheek problems are often caused by poor gun fit and mount, rather than cartridge choice. The typical problems are that the gun is mounted onto the outer part of the shoulder, where there is little between flesh and bone, and often too low, so the head is dropped brining the cheek bone in contact. While lighter loads are a solution, couple this with good gun fit and mount. The shoulders should be reasonably square to the foot line, not dropped back. Many shooters who have not had mount training will spread their feet too wide and drop back the shooting shoulder with the gun "across" the body. The shoulders should be squarer, with the gun no more than 45 degrees off the toe line. The elbow is often too low, allowing this to happen, lift the elbow to at least 60 degrees off vertical, some people can raise to to straight out horizontally, but this high is not necessary. Raising the elbow and squaring the body brings the stock heel into the shoulder pocket, the groove below the shooters jaw on the shoulder is where the stock should be, with the weight nose over toes so that the whole heel is in contact, not just the toe. Break the front knee a little to bring the whole doby forward from the hips, a yougster may well be leaning back so that the heel is only in partial contact, and not spreading the recoil over its full surface. Correct mount allows maximum swing before canting; the head to remain stright and not cocked over the comb, the cheek bone clear of the comb, and the shoulder taking in recoil in a fleshier part where bruising is less likely. I totally agree with this, but you have to take into account that if he has started not that long ago then getting a consistent gun mount is not easy when the cartrdiges kick heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak-in-my-eyes Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi eagle eyes guess what? :o I'm in. As for subs try out the ezy pad first. All the best phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I totally agree with this, but you have to take into account that if he has started not that long ago then getting a consistent gun mount is not easy when the cartrdiges kick heavily. True, but I believe in addressing the rootl problem. Recoil reduction additions to the gun stock or under clothing, and/or light cartridges, may relieve the recoil effect, and allow the shooter to sshoot with poor style. This will become inherent and be a nightmare for a coach to undo later in the young mans shooting career. Half the problem with young lads is that their mount and stance has to be poor because the gun is just too big for their stature. a std 12g on a 10 yo is like us adults taking a 40" 20lb 8 bore and trying to handle it. Unless the lad is already 10 stone and 5ft 8, he should either be on a 28g, or a shortened 20 or 12g. Its absolutely amazing the difference it makes to the balance a small person can achieve by using a short stock short barreled gun to bring back the centre of balance so they dont need to lean back to counter balance the gun, but can lean in as they should. A 26" barreled gun with a 13" stock transforms how a smaller person, colt or lady shoots, and guess what? All the recoil problems dissappear with the balance and mount being correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Sounds more like a mix of poor gun fit or mount to me.. 21g - 24g loads should be fine IMHO Shooting subsonics will seriously limit his chances on a round of sporting, so I wouldn't go down that route.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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