raistrick Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Hi All, I've been shooting for about 18 months now and finally at the stage where I think I should buy my own gun. I've been shooting generally with Beretta 686E's (12b 30" m/c), generally for sporting, as historically that's all my uni club has ever bothered to shoot. Now I'm getting into shooting skeet and want to get a gun that will allow me to learn all forms of skeet and maybe trap (when I can get to a club that has trap layouts), for a couple of years whilst I learn. I've been looking around for a while, generally sticking to Beretta, Browning and Fabarm, for a 12g 28" multi-choke shotgun and on a sub £1000 budget. I've seen a Beretta S687 12g High Rib, which looks in good condition, is within budget - and I think 28" and m/c. I was thinking of getting a gun with an adjustable comb as I prefer to see less of the barrel (left eye dominant so tend to close left eye and want to maximise my field of view) and thought a high rib might do the same thing? I understand that high rib guns are good for trap, but would they be any good for skeet? I assume it doesn't make much difference so long as you are used to it? *Any* advice would be much appreciated! An image of the gun is here: http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunImages/08/08...093248000-5.jpg Cheers guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Why is the rib so big on trap guns? if you dont mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.C. Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 In your position most people would stick with a standard gun to begin with. Trap guns are usually set to shoot high which will be a disadvantage for skeet and sporting . In short go for a 28/30inch sporter while you learn to shoot . Leave specialist guns alone for now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) Flat rib for skeet High rib for trap The latter is set up to shoot high, as all targets are rising , and the rib set-up allows you to shoot "at" the traget, wthe shot load then rises with the rising target. The high rib also allows you better sight of a target coming up underneath the gun. My view is buy guns for the job - or possibly barrel sets for the same action. Using a Perazzi MX system is a good way to get everything you need, as all the bits fit onto each other. I've two actions with drop out triggers so if one goes wrong there is a 20 sec cure - three stocks, one with varicomb - and 28" ported skeet / 29" teaqued trap barrels for sporting, and 31" set choke high rib for trap. All the bits fit str onto each other, and I can effectively build a gun for the shoot I'm going to You can do similar with a Beretta, buy a M/C and get a set of trap barrels for it - or get trap type with m/c and a dedicated set of skeet barrels. If you are getting one gun to start, not high rib, but M'C definately Edited February 28, 2009 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raistrick Posted February 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) Thanks for your replies. That's pretty much what I thought the high rib would be for. I think my main questions are: 1. if i got a high rib for trap/skeet, would I be able to buy a separate s687 barrell for skeet easily enough? I've never seen anyone selling just the barrell. 2. would a high rib (to the degree that the one above is) be much of a disadvantage for skeet? - since although it shoots high you need only shift the picture you see up when aiming. Is it not something you get used to? 3. if you had under £1000 to spend on a gun for skeet/trap what would you go for? Really wish I could afford a Perazzi! Cheers again! Edited February 28, 2009 by raistrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I can't answer your first question, but that high rib will put you at a disadvantage on a skeet layout. As clayman stated, flat rib for skeet. You might get used to it, but you'll be forever adjusting your picture and skeet's too fast for you to mess about doing that, especially when there's doubles involved. I certainly wouldn't want a high ribbed gun for skeet, or any high ribbed gun thinking about it. Also, if you are absolutely adamant that you want to shoot both skeet and trap, and you are adamant that you want to give both those disciplines the best you can, you really should think about getting two guns - a designated trap gun, and either a skeet gun or a multichoke sporter (28ins or 30ins). You might just be able to pick up an old Miroku MK38 for £500/£600 - that's one of the most widely used trap guns that's ever been built. They won't let you down. But, as they are so good, you might have to search around a bit. The older Miroku SW Trap is another one to look out for. Regarding a gun for skeet - there's 1000s out there that will fit the bill. And I'm sure you'll be able to pick something half-decent up for £500. Here's one that's fast, lightweight and reliable CLICK but there's masses of other more modern multichokes out there that will do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 There seems to be an assumption that a high rib will shoot high. This particular rib is raised, but not high. If the rib is parallel to the barrels all the way along, it will shoot flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 pick a discapline and go for the right gun or as advised go for 2 guns 1000 pounds is plenty for two guns but try both first and u might like one better I find trap boring but love skeet mind u Im rubbish at both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raistrick Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 There seems to be an assumption that a high rib will shoot high. This particular rib is raised, but not high. If the rib is parallel to the barrels all the way along, it will shoot flat. This was what I thought having seen it up close. Will keep on searching for a gun. Thanks for all the advice everyone. Any opinions on Winchester or Bettinsoli? Any opinions on buying new or second hand? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) if you are looking at winchester or bettinsoli go for a winchester. i shoot a 25 year old 101 fixed choke it handles and paterns well and at 25 years plus it still looks like new. pure quality. i have always stuck to beretta in the past but since getting this my scores have well increased. the winchester 101 lightweight multi winchokes can be picked up for around £575 second hand and are excellent value for money. Edited March 2, 2009 by peter-peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.C. Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Buy second hand . That way when you come to change your gun , as most do , when they have been shooting for a few months you should not loose too much money . Stick with Beretta , Browning and Miroku if you want the gun to hold its value ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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