Frank Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Have a look at these bullet heads next to each other. On left :.223 55 grain v max on right: 40 grain v max in .204 Ruger. The .204 ruger I find, has more power and range than the .223. It has less bullet drop. Virtually no copper fouling. Low recoil ( 25% less than the .223) I have had great succsess with this caliber so far at long ranges. My best group so far is 1 and a quarter inch at 254yds, hoping to improove! That group was made with a 20mph cross wind You can log on to this site at www.204ruger.com It is completely dedicated to the .204 ruger with forums ect. Check it out. I will post pics of my hunting sucsess soon. To date most foxes Iv shot have been cut in half, and rabbits just explode on impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 And here is a .223 40 grain v max on left, next to a .204 40 grain v max on right. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Frank, just out of interest, why are you shooting rabbits with an oversized calibre? PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) why not, they are dead, its up to the person, pest control dosent mean you have to have something to eat at the end of it. im yet to be convinced of the 204, as it is basically a 222 at hte heart, as is the 223 and 222 mag, they all came from the millitary trying to find a cartridge to cycle regually in a semi and at the end of the day, it is a fraction quicker than a 222mag using a 40 grain, apart from not many of these rifles are barreled with the correct twist rate for such a light bullet, which in turn means that it wouldnt shoot well i dare say the 204 is a very good round, but i believe if your going to go for a wild cat or a BR type round there are far more unusual and better cartridges im considering a 221 fireball in a 75 action........one day shant be quite as quick as a 204, but its the nosler factory's #1 rated vermin cartridge, and shoots some damn tight groups....... so i think i can ofrgive it that but like the 204 there is no need for the 221, i just want one becuase no-one else has one Btw, i didnt recal the Vmax being made by nosler, i thought it was hornandy, and i thought they had the hornandy signature red tips at least all the vmax's ive ever used have been, you sure you dont mean nosler B/t's? Edited March 28, 2005 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Btw, i didnt recal the Vmax being made by nosler, i thought it was hornandy, and i thought they had the hornandy signature red tips at least all the vmax's ive ever used have been, you sure you dont mean nosler B/t's? Yup V-max is a Hornady name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun-Sean Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Frank, just out of interest, why are you shooting rabbits with an oversized calibre? Depends what you call oversized, if you are a rabbit about to be shot then surely bigger the bullet the less you would know about it so if in the eyes of a rabbit a .50 cal would be nice but in the eyes of a hunter a smaller round would surfice cheers sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 The reason 'why not' is based around 'appropriate' for the use. Give your local FLO a call and ask him to grant you a 204 or 223, 222 (or any similar calibre) for rabbit control and I'll bet he would refuse. Similarly, you can't get a grant to shoot fox with a .308, or deer with a .22lrf The calibre/species formula must have come from somewhere and for some purpose. PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 in kent you get a calibre classed for vermin, this means you have it to do anything , and in kent the 6.5 is the largest calibre you can have that your allowed to do vermin control and deer management with, so with anything up to 6.5 effectively you can have one to do rabbit controll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Let me get this right....what you're saying is that if you live in Kent and you applied for a 6.5mm for rabbit control you'd get it passed?? In your dreams ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Similarly, you can't get a grant to shoot fox with a .308 Not if fox control was the only purpose, but you could probably get it added as a use for your stalking rifle. A chap from NI told me that over there foxing is a 'good reason' for a 22rf and you struggle to get cf for foxing. Anyone else know owt about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 in kent you get a calibre classed for vermin, this means you have it to do anything , and in kent the 6.5 is the largest calibre you can have that your allowed to do vermin control and deer management with, so with anything up to 6.5 effectively you can have one to do rabbit controll Er, righto. I kind of know one of the guys in the Kent FLO, I'll see what he has to say on the matter if I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) Let me get this right....what you're saying is that if you live in Kent and you applied for a 6.5mm for rabbit control you'd get it passed?? In your dreams ! prob not if you applied only for that, if you asked for it for vermin control, they would grant it......they have ive seen it, if you asked for it for just rabbit control i recon your correct they would turn it down. Er, righto.I kind of know one of the guys in the Kent FLO, I'll see what he has to say on the matter if I remember. go for it, would be intrested, what area in kent does he work, maidstone is my local dept. and ive seen 6.5 granted for this about 3 year ago, i know a guy who has 308 cleared for it, as he applied for the 308 variation for vermin control some time ago, when no one carred Edited March 29, 2005 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Turns out the guy I know is in Essex - well it's all down sarth innit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 shame, at some point i will scan in the above mentioned fac, (or parts of it) and show you but you will have to trust me on this one joke i know with the reputation i seem to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Hello Mr Pie Man. Where I come from and live, you apply for a rifle permit and you are asked by your local police, whats your reasons for getting a rifle, if you say vermin control, it will cover anything from bunnys to foxes, feral goats etc. Calibers that can be used for this purpose range from .17 to Swift. You have to get the land owners written permision and be insured. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 so basically the same frank, where do you live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 As a minor aside, I'm told that if you have 'vermin' as a condition on your ticket and are asked (or need to) to shoot rogue dogs you are technically in breach. You need 'pests'. Quite where the difference lies is beyond me. Could be cobblers of course, there's an awful lot of it about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 I live in Ireland. Over here if you want to shoot vermin with a rifle, you can apply for any caliber from .17 to swift, and shoot all the vermin I mentioned. You cant shoot winged vermin with a rifle only shotgun. If you want to shoot deer, then you have to apply and get a deer permit from the national parks and wildlife service along with all your written permisions from the farmers who have shooting rights for their lands. When you get your permit to shoot deer, you take permit and all written permisions to the local police and apply for your chosen caliber. Only 22-250 to 270 max is allowed in Southern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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