Class System in Clay Shooting

[Bigweed]

Seems to me,most of you are looking at this problem from a selfish point of view.

Surely there should be more money/ better prizes for the elite, they are after-all the best.

I do agree with a class system to bring young and/or less experienced guns on, and to offer some incentive and reward.I believe that your best three scores in the given period should count towards your classification (these scores are what you are capable of).I also believe you should never,Irepeat, never be allowed back down the classifications. The only thing would be age that would allow you to move into a lesser category e.g. veterans.

Harsh, may-be, but sand-bagging would be a thing of the past.

A slip of form, tough ****, you dont win anything until your form returns.

Maybe a redefinition of classes would be required and perhaps more of them.

 

but how do you police it

[MC]

I think the problem stems from the fact that the classes are done in 6 month intervals. In target rifle competitions your average comes from you last 5 scores. Therefore if you are shooting regularly then your class is current and accurate.

[Chard]

I think the problem stems from the fact that the classes are done in 6 month intervals. In target rifle competitions your average comes from you last 5 scores. Therefore if you are shooting regularly then your class is current and accurate.

 

 

I don't think there would be much to police if was done on the best three scores, sooner or later, shooters are going to have to shoot properly and these scores would determine their classification.

Unfortunately, the last 5 scores system doesn't protect from sandbagging. Worsley run that system for members. It is loosely based on CPSA classifications (i.e. the percentages are similar) but obviously only for scores attained at Worsley, so it's easier than CPSA classes. It must be easier because I'm AA class Oh how we laaaaarfed.

Because it's done on the last 5 cards handed in just means that the sandbaggers only hand in duff cards . We have a silly situation where there are "C class" shooters with a handicap of 25, scoring 80 in a club comp, potentially giving them a score of 105

Edited June 3, 2009 by Chard

[Bigweed]

but what happens when you go to a shoot where you're unknown - whats the basis of your class

[Chard]

but what happens when you go to a shoot where you're unknown - whats the basis of your class

 

I don't have an official CPSA classification. My "AA Class" is meaningless anywhere but Worsley.

 

If I wanted an official CPSA classification, I would need to upgrade my Clubman membership to full membership and get shooting some registered comps. I would then have a proper CPSA classification instead of my Mickey Mouse Worsley classification, and this would be recognised at any CPSA registered shoot.

 

The way it is at the moment, I can only shoot "birds only" at other grounds

[MC]

There isn't a system that can protect from sandbagging, if anyone wants to shoot badly for 6 months to get a low class and then come out an win everything they enter for the next 6 months then that is what they will do.

 

I am in the same boat as you and always shoot as best I can on the day. sometimes I hit loads and other times I miss loads. That is just the way it goes.

[Chard]

There isn't a system that can protect from sandbagging, if anyone wants to shoot badly for 6 months to get a low class and then come out an win everything they enter for the next 6 months then that is what they will do.

 

I am in the same boat as you and always shoot as best I can on the day. sometimes I hit loads and other times I miss loads. That is just the way it goes.

 

 

The Sipe-ist's system could almost work, extreme though it is. If your best ever scores were used to classify you and they stuck for life, eventually everybody would have to register a good score somewhere. Even the sandbaggers would have to get half decent scores recorded, otherwise they'd have to shoot badly all the time to ensure that they stayed in B class and there would be no purpose to that.

 

It seems harsh never being able to drop back down the classes, but I think that would be a fair price to pay for a system that makes sandbagging difficult or pointless. It would be a bit unfortunate being stuck in AAA class when you're 95 and blind as a bat but I doubt that I'd be bothered by it all at that age

[MC]

As I have said earlier, I believe an average should be exactly that, an average. not one made up by dropping any score under 10% less than your average then adding the whole lot up and dividing by the ammount of yellow cars that go through the tolls at dartford between 10am and 10.07am.

 

And it should be a whole lot harder to come down a class than gon up one. if it takes 6 months to classify you to go up then it should take 3 years to come down. That would stop a certain ammount of sandbagging.

 

Of course you could always get your dog to eat your scorecards but that really isn't playing the game, is it?

[covlocks]

If you are that concerned about fiddled classifications, dont join the CPSA club, uless of course you're are a hotshot of at least county standard. That will force a change of system, but whatever you do it will always be open to abuse.

 

I play golf with my local pub society and enjoy it. We have our own handicap system and none of us hold an official handicap. If we ever need one to play somewhere exotic, a handicap is always available off the internet

 

So I love my shooting, i'm never going to shoot for my county or country, so why join the CPSA club. I shoot with a number of friends every week, we have our own system of handicap, no one person wins every week, and we enjoy it without the usual bickering about scores and classification that goes on after a comp.

 

If you dont like the class system, vote with your feet and the loss of revenue will force a good look at the system.

Edited June 3, 2009 by covlocks

[Bigweed]

Being a member of the CPSA or not isn't the issue. Some grounds run non registered shoots with prize money (albeit small) and don't ask for for a CPSA classification - you tell that them that your in class C and then shoot an 85/100. I suppose if you went to the same ground all the time then they would find you eventually but still happens.

[MC]

JJ's is like that,

 

I shot there a while back with Mungler and they just ask what class you would like to be in. I said B as that is my CPSA class and I was amazed at some of the scores that were shot for B class.

[Bigweed]

Exactly my point

[Mungler]

The recent shenanigans with my Essex Masters entry has got me to thinking - to recap, for the first 2 years of my shooting clays I joined the CPSA. In year 1 I shot maybe 4 registered competitions and was put in C class. In year 2 I shot 3 registered competitions and was put into A class. Last year, I didn't think the CPSA was worth the money - a long story and earlier moans refer, and so jacked it in.

 

At the Essex Masters, on booking in I was asked for my CPSA number. I said I didn't have one (and still don't have one). I was put in "unregistered" as too with other members of the Essex mafia who have not renewed with the CPSA. I thought that being unregistered, it would be reasonable to assume that I would just be shooting with other people who were not in the CPSA - good bad or indifferent. Indeed, looking at the "unregistered" scores the top one was 161 which was on parr with High Gun for B Class (and well into the A class scores and beating some of the lower ranking AA class, including our own Catamong).

 

I don't know what the solution is, but the CPSA system is flawed.

 

I thought the best way would be:

 

1. all scores lumped together

2. a computer allocates shooters to "classes" on the day by individual performance on certain stands e.g. you straight the 45 yard battue and it's AA class etc.

3. anyone shooting with a Lanber or with a foreign sounding surname, immediately disqualified.

 

On a final note, Paulos made a valid point that the winning C Class score on the Essex Masters got a new shotgun. This has got me thinking - rejoing the CPSA and shoot 3 registered events with a pump action and get back down to C Class ready for next year! Oh hang on, me give the CPSA a penny more of my money? Not a ******* chance.

[Bigweed]

I thought the best way would be:

 

1. all scores lumped together

2. a computer allocates shooters to "classes" on the day by individual performance on certain stands e.g. you straight the 45 yard battue and it's AA class etc.

3. anyone shooting with a Lanber or with a foreign sounding surname, immediately disqualified.

 

Its a start but wouldn't work at most shoots as the don't have puters :look:

[MC]

Isn't that how unclassified works though?

 

You get graded on the day based on your performance at 2 or 3 stands that you don't which ones they are.

 

 

It actually seems the fairest way all round.

[leaseone]

I ahve seen good shooters miss the last 10 birds on an Easy registered shoot because it would afect their classes in 6 months that cannot be right :look: < but when you front them you can see their point,'the shoot was so easy i would have unfairly affected me) I normally shoot 80 but today shot 95.

[magman]

God i so wish i could get out of c class :look:

[Chard]

God i so wish i could get out of c class :look:

 

Not much chance of that

 

How did you get on today then, girls?

[magman]

Shot a 98 :look:

[Chard]

Shot a 98

 

 

Out of 845 :look:

[magman]

Out of 845 :look:

 

How dare you im in c class you no

[Chard]

How dare you :look: im in c class you no

 

Magman prepares for a round of clays

 

 

[magman]

Magman prepares for a round of clays

 

 

 

 

so you was there you b ugger (anything to avoid not buying the tea,s) :look:

[beretta]

used his big motherbismuthcoppercoatednickledooperwangers on stand six and took a tree out.

 

then he slow pulled me.

then he tried putting me off saying you were there.

then bribed me with a rabbit leg. (said it was venison but bloody small leg)

 

other than that he learned a lot. :look:

[magman]

used his big motherbismuthcoppercoatednickledooperwangers on stand six and took a tree out. He He

 

then he slow pulled me.

then he tried putting me off saying you were there.

then bribed me with a rabbit leg. (said it was venison but bloody small leg) Front leg (shoulder)

 

other than that he learned a lot. :look: ow yes master

 

Was good to see you again , as for all this high and mighty that has been going around i felt more comfortable shooting with

you than with most your a true gent my friend