MJN Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 This is what I'm using at present, notice the difference between old and new carts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Cost savings on the Brass then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 it's only plated, as they rust if left long enough in bad conditions, and a fraction shorter ! 3 different wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) I went out this afternoon and bought 1000 Eley Superbs and 1000 Lyalvale Express "English Sporter" Never heard of these English Sporter jobs. They're red though, so they must be good Anybody used them, or have I just wasted £121? I got them for close up floppers and droopers, I wouldn't bother using them on proper targets, that's what the Superb are for. I normally get cheapo steel shot for the close stuff but he didn't have any :o I can see Magman looking at this - he's going to make some mong comment in a minute about how I might as well use rock salt and nails for all the difference it would make to my shooting :P Edited June 9, 2009 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 i can get cheap steel carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 i can get cheap steel carts. I'm always in the market for them if you can get them. Branthwaites didn't have any today, and Bond & Bywater didn't have any last week when I was arseing about in Preston, they said that nobody wanted them any more as most grounds don't allow them I like them for close stuff, I find them good, quick and hard-hitting How cheap is cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I went out this afternoon and bought 1000 Eley Superbs and 1000 Lyalvale Express "English Sporter" Never heard of these English Sporter jobs. They're red though, so they must be good Anybody used them, or have I just wasted £121? I got them for close up floppers and droopers, I wouldn't bother using them on proper targets, that's what the Superb are for. I normally get cheapo steel shot for the close stuff but he didn't have any :o I can see Magman looking at this - he's going to make some mong comment in a minute about how I might as well use rock salt and nails for all the difference it would make to my shooting :P :o :( Just make sure you beat them southerners If you need any of the specials to do it let me no :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 :o Just make sure you beat them southerners If you need any of the specials to do it let me no I've got a few excuses held in reserve - home ground advantage etc etc :( That Tosspot only lives round the corner, I think he shoots these targets from the bottom of his garden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Just do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I went out this afternoon and bought 1000 Eley Superbs and 1000 Lyalvale Express "English Sporter" Never heard of these English Sporter jobs. They're red though, so they must be good Anybody used them, or have I just wasted £121? I got them for close up floppers and droopers, I wouldn't bother using them on proper targets, that's what the Superb are for. I normally get cheapo steel shot for the close stuff but he didn't have any :o I can see Magman looking at this - he's going to make some mong comment in a minute about how I might as well use rock salt and nails for all the difference it would make to my shooting :P I'd have bought a new bronze brush to go with those english sporters if i was you because you'll knacker your old one trying to clean the crud off your cones! Don't know what powder is in them but it aint vectan thats for sure!! Performance wise they seem fine but they are just too dirty and the fibre version are proper confetti jobs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) This is what I'm using at present, notice the difference between old and new carts ? Actually you'll probably find there are TWO different wads. The larger 2.3mm pellet load takes up slightly more room than the 2.2mm load because the interstices (spaces between individual pellets) are larger in the former. The wad has to be compressed that little bit extra to effect a neat closure. The extra 'brass' (it is plated steel) on the shell has no significance in this shell. The Cheddite* CX2000 primer and the Vectan D20 powder are the same for each shell. The low brass shell has a slightly thicker base wad. The ballistics will be identical, near as dammit. *'though Martignoni and Fiocchi hulls/primers have been used in the past. Edited June 9, 2009 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) The original 'English Sporter' was launched in the 1990s. It was loaded with Vectan AS powder, a B&P z24 wad and 28 grams of hard shot. It was basically a suped-up 'PRO Comp' in a clear case with green or red ink colour-coded to the shot-size. There's nowt wong with the latest EP except I would like to see them in English 6 for pigeons! Edited June 9, 2009 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 The original 'English Sporter' was launched in the 1990s. It was loaded with Vectan AS powder, a B&P z24 wad and 28 grams of hard shot. It was basically a suped-up 'PRO Comp' in a clear case with green or red ink colour-coded to the shot-size. There's nowt wong with the latest EP except I would like to see them in English 6 for pigeons! Take it you work for Lyalvale Floating Chamber?! All i use is Express in several different loads and love them but English Sporters aren't my cup of tea. My perazzis clean no bother usually but not with those things. What is the power? It's a grey disc rather than the usual vectan flake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I'd have bought a new bronze brush to go with those english sporters if i was you because you'll knacker your old one trying to clean the crud off your cones! Don't know what powder is in them but it aint vectan thats for sure!! Performance wise they seem fine but they are just too dirty and the fibre version are proper confetti jobs! I like a bit of filth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I've got a few excuses held in reserve - home ground advantage etc etc You think you'll need them then............excusses that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 You think you'll need them then............excusses that is You never can tell. I know Tosspot can be a bit handy Peter has his moments too. You're an unknown quantity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Not all SNPE powders are flake; D20 is a DISC powder; that is what the 'D' stands for. The latest English Sporter' have a GM3 type granular powder. In some cases, granular powders are re-manufactured military powders. Nothing wrong with them; just recycled. All of the manufacturers are trying their hardest to keep down the price of shooting. Remember, in the old days of Purchase Tax shotgun cartridges were luxury items. If you are under 30 years of age, you will not know what this means. In my time, in the 1960s, a box of 25 shells would have been 1/20 of my weekly wage. This means about a minimum of fifteen quid a box of 25 by today's standards. FC Edited June 10, 2009 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) You never can tell. I know Tosspot can be a bit handy Peter has his moments too. You're an unknown quantity So most people tell me - no worries there mate Edited June 10, 2009 by Bigweed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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