monkeyboots Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 just like to ask ive bought a 2nd hand gun cabinet holds 4 guns and it has 2 locks 1 at the top the other at the bottom which means 2 bars are locked when you turn both the keys, is this cabinet police approved as my other gun cabinet which i sold on was a 1 lock keyhole which had the 5 bar locking system a mate told me he thinks my gun cabinet is a old type and wont be police approved as they have to now have the 5 bar locking system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 doubt it mate, there is nothing in the law about types of lock (i think) only that it has to be secure. Make it blooming secure then i sure all will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobyb525 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Thats fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 It's fine. I have the same sort and it was checked and approved by the FEO the other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojusa Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 My cabinet is a Brattonsound ST5 which has the two locks and it passed with no problems so yours should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 There is no requirement in the Firearms act to even have a cabinet. The requirement is purely that the License holder takes adequate precautions for the security of the guns. The police do not "approve" cabinets. What Brattonsound actually say is "Police Approval Guaranteed". Every situation is risk assessed, and your chosen security is valued against the potential risk of unauthorised access. Brattonsound are saying buy one of our cabinets and install it according to your FEO requirements, and the cabinet itself will never be the reason for rejection. Cabinets are a good choice to pass easily through the risk assessment process, but the weak point is almost always the fixing, not the locks. Even one lock is OK as long as the construction is sufficient to slow down a determined attack for entry by about 20 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 There is no requirement in the Firearms act to even have a cabinet. The requirement is purely that the License holder takes adequate precautions for the security of the guns. The police do not "approve" cabinets. What Brattonsound actually say is "Police Approval Guaranteed". Every situation is risk assessed, and your chosen security is valued against the potential risk of unauthorised access. Brattonsound are saying buy one of our cabinets and install it according to your FEO requirements, and the cabinet itself will never be the reason for rejection. Cabinets are a good choice to pass easily through the risk assessment process, but the weak point is almost always the fixing, not the locks. Even one lock is OK as long as the construction is sufficient to slow down a determined attack for entry by about 20 mins. this says otherwise (in NI) http://www.psni.police.uk/index/advice-and...arm_storage.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) Fire-arms requirements are under different legislation in NI. UK mainland is all governed by the 1968 Fire-arms act, and a cabinet is not specified. Here is the link to the Guidance document issued by the home office to police enforcement agencies. http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio...pdf?view=Binary This is from page 105 This Chapter provides information about the secure keeping of firearms and ammunition, referring to other sources of more detailed information where appropriate. It sets out the security issues for chief officers of police to consider when dealing with certificate applications, renewals or variations. 19.2 The 1998 Rules prescribe safe keeping conditions to appear on a firearm certificate. Rule 3(4)(iv) of the 1998 Rules creates two levels of security: • Paragraph (a) provides for the firearms and ammunition to be stored securely at all times except as provided in paragraph (, so as to prevent, as far as possible unauthorised access; and • Paragraph ( lists the circumstances in which the security requirements of paragraph (a) do not apply: – when the firearms or ammunition are in use; – when certificate holders have the firearm with them for cleaning, repairing or testing it or in connection with its use, transfer or sale; or – the firearm or ammunition is in transit in connection with any of these purposes. Under these circumstances the certificate holder must take reasonable precautions for the safe custody of the firearms or ammunition. Further detail is set out below, in Appendix 7 of this guidance, in the “Firearm Security Handbook” published by the Home Office in 2000 and the “Consolidated Guidance on Firearm Security” produced jointly by the Home Office and the Association of Chief Police Officers in 1999. 19.3 A similar safekeeping condition appears on a shot gun certificate. The only difference is that the condition does not extend to shot gun cartridges. Secure Storage 19.4 The “Consolidated Guidance on Firearm Security” referred to above provides advice on security measures appropriate to different types of firearms and ammunition in different circumstances. Forces are advised to adopt this guidance as a matter of general policy in the interests of consistency, taking account of individual circumstances as necessary. 19.5 Forces should note that while the requirements to keep firearms securely are statutory, there are no statutory provisions on how this duty should be discharged. The Firearms Rules 19.6 The Firearms Rules 1998 deal with the safekeeping of firearms including shot guns. These Rules make it clear that it is a prescribed condition of the certificate: “Firearms and shot guns to which this certificate relates must be stored securely at all times (except in certain circumstances) so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the guns by unauthorised persons.” (Note: this includes section 1, but not shotgun (section 2), ammunition) 19.7 The Rules do not however prescribe the form of safekeeping or security. As with all aspects of crime prevention, the police must look at the individual circumstances of each case and at the overall security arrangements which will be in place. The level of security should be proportionate to the risk. If the Gun Owner is in NI, different regulations apply - and Yes, I see he is and therefore the regs that apply to most of us in the UK do not apply in his situation. Edited August 30, 2009 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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