gun cabinet

[monkeyboots]

just like to ask ive bought a 2nd hand gun cabinet holds 4 guns and it has 2 locks 1 at the top the other at the bottom which means 2 bars are locked when you turn both the keys, is this cabinet police approved as my other gun cabinet which i sold on was a 1 lock keyhole which had the 5 bar locking system a mate told me he thinks my gun cabinet is a old type and wont be police approved as they have to now have the 5 bar locking system

[soreshoulder]

doubt it mate, there is nothing in the law about types of lock (i think) only that it has to be secure. Make it blooming secure then i sure all will be fine

[Tobyb525]

Thats fine

[dazza]

It's fine. I have the same sort and it was checked and approved by the FEO the other week.

[jojusa]

My cabinet is a Brattonsound ST5 which has the two locks and it passed with no problems so yours should be ok.

[clayman]

There is no requirement in the Firearms act to even have a cabinet. The requirement is purely that the License holder takes adequate precautions for the security of the guns.

 

The police do not "approve" cabinets. What Brattonsound actually say is "Police Approval Guaranteed". Every situation is risk assessed, and your chosen security is valued against the potential risk of unauthorised access. Brattonsound are saying buy one of our cabinets and install it according to your FEO requirements, and the cabinet itself will never be the reason for rejection.

 

Cabinets are a good choice to pass easily through the risk assessment process, but the weak point is almost always the fixing, not the locks.

 

Even one lock is OK as long as the construction is sufficient to slow down a determined attack for entry by about 20 mins.

[shot shot]

There is no requirement in the Firearms act to even have a cabinet. The requirement is purely that the License holder takes adequate precautions for the security of the guns.

 

The police do not "approve" cabinets. What Brattonsound actually say is "Police Approval Guaranteed". Every situation is risk assessed, and your chosen security is valued against the potential risk of unauthorised access. Brattonsound are saying buy one of our cabinets and install it according to your FEO requirements, and the cabinet itself will never be the reason for rejection.

 

Cabinets are a good choice to pass easily through the risk assessment process, but the weak point is almost always the fixing, not the locks.

 

Even one lock is OK as long as the construction is sufficient to slow down a determined attack for entry by about 20 mins.

this says otherwise (in NI)

http://www.psni.police.uk/index/advice-and...arm_storage.htm

 

[clayman]

Fire-arms requirements are under different legislation in NI. UK mainland is all governed by the 1968 Fire-arms act, and a cabinet is not specified.

 

Here is the link to the Guidance document issued by the home office to police enforcement agencies.

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio...pdf?view=Binary

 

This is from page 105

 

This Chapter provides information

about the secure keeping of firearms and

ammunition, referring to other sources of

more detailed information where appropriate.

It sets out the security issues for chief

officers of police to consider when dealing

with certificate applications, renewals or

variations.

19.2 The 1998 Rules prescribe safe keeping

conditions to appear on a firearm certificate.

Rule 3(4)(iv) of the 1998 Rules creates two

levels of security:

• Paragraph (a) provides for the firearms

and ammunition to be stored securely at

all times except as provided in paragraph

(, so as to prevent, as far as possible

unauthorised access; and

• Paragraph ( lists the circumstances in

which the security requirements of

paragraph (a) do not apply:

– when the firearms or ammunition are

in use;

– when certificate holders have the

firearm with them for cleaning,

repairing or testing it or in connection

with its use, transfer or sale; or

– the firearm or ammunition is in

transit in connection with any of

these purposes.

Under these circumstances the certificate

holder must take reasonable precautions

for the safe custody of the firearms or

ammunition. Further detail is set out below,

in Appendix 7 of this guidance, in the

“Firearm Security Handbook” published

by the Home Office in 2000 and the

“Consolidated Guidance on Firearm Security”

produced jointly by the Home Office and the

Association of Chief Police Officers in 1999.

19.3 A similar safekeeping condition appears

on a shot gun certificate. The only difference

is that the condition does not extend to shot

gun cartridges.

Secure Storage

19.4 The “Consolidated Guidance on Firearm

Security” referred to above provides advice

on security measures appropriate to different

types of firearms and ammunition in different

circumstances. Forces are advised to adopt

this guidance as a matter of general policy in

the interests of consistency, taking account of

individual circumstances as necessary.

19.5 Forces should note that while the

requirements to keep firearms securely are

statutory, there are no statutory provisions

on how this duty should be discharged.

The Firearms Rules

19.6 The Firearms Rules 1998 deal with the

safekeeping of firearms including shot guns.

These Rules make it clear that it is a

prescribed condition of the certificate:

“Firearms and shot guns to which this

certificate relates must be stored

securely at all times (except in certain

circumstances) so as to prevent, so far

as is reasonably practicable, access to

the guns by unauthorised persons.”

(Note: this includes section 1, but not

shotgun (section 2), ammunition)

19.7 The Rules do not however prescribe the

form of safekeeping or security. As with all

aspects of crime prevention, the police must

look at the individual circumstances of each

case and at the overall security arrangements

which will be in place. The level of security

should be proportionate to the risk.

 

 

If the Gun Owner is in NI, different regulations apply - and Yes, I see he is and therefore the regs that apply to most of us in the UK do not apply in his situation.

Edited August 30, 2009 by clayman