Cheap pigeon load data

[Guest cookoff013]

this is from BPI, i discussed a load i wanted made, they came up with this.

what a star. i recon that a good pigeon load of steel 6s and these recipes would be very cheap to run !

look at the speeds.

 

LOAD OF THE WEEK 2010/08/17

 

Steel (non-toxic) Dove/Pigeon

Light weight loads in the larger gauge result in HIGHER velocities. Velocity comes free with no extra charge. Often, additional velocity may be added. With steel shot in a steel cushioned wad, amazing velocities may be created. In the larger gauge, with very light loads, few propellants offer shot to shot consistency of pressures and velocity. There are two propellants that meet the bar of launching very light weight shot loads with great consistency of speed and pressure. Alliant BULLSEYE and Hodgdon TITEWAD. The following loads were made with #6 & #7 steel pellets.

 

L0AD# 100810-2389C

HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: FIO616

PROPELLANT: HODGDON TITEWAD 22.0 Grains

WAD: VP51 (12ga) + NC20 in wad base

SHOT: ½ oz. (218 gr.) STEEL #6 or #7

CRIMP: FOLD OS12 over the shot

Result: PSI 7400 FPS 1570

 

L0AD# 100812-2394C

HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: FIO616

PROPELLANT: HODGDON TITEWAD 26.0 Grains

WAD: VP51 (12ga) + NC20 in wad base

SHOT: ½ oz.(218 gr.) STEEL #6 or #7

CRIMP: FOLD OS12 over the shot

Result: PSI 8800 FPS 1780

 

L0AD# 100812-2396C

HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: FIO616

PROPELLANT: HODGDON TITEWAD 23.0 Grains

WAD: VP51 (12ga)

SHOT: 5/8 oz. (273 gr.) STEEL #6 or #7

CRIMP: FOLD OS12 over the shot

Result: PSI 8800 FPS 1600

 

L0AD# 100812-2399C

HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: FIO616

PROPELLANT: ALLIANT BULLSEYE 22.0 Grains

WAD: VP51 (12ga)

SHOT: 5/8 oz. (273 gr.) STEEL #6 or #7

CRIMP: FOLD OS12 over the shot

Result: PSI 8700 FPS 1560

 

L0AD# 100812-2401C

HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”

PRIMER: FIO616

PROPELLANT: ALLIANT BULLSEYE 24.0 Grains

WAD: VP51 (12ga)

SHOT: 5/8 oz. (273 gr.) STEEL #6 or #7

CRIMP: FOLD OS12 over the shot

Result: PSI 9300 FPS 1655

[sitsinhedges]

Half an ounce of shot doesn't seem much

[Guest cookoff013]

in steel shot cartridges, lighter shot charges are used.

this load in a number steel 6, would have a similar count to a 1oz lead 6 ish~ it depends on which 6, uk or us or chinese !

 

with the extra speed it should do very well. i`l make some and give a report.

ps, they will reload cheap.

 

(no they wont be cheap. !)

Edited August 23, 2010 by cookoff013

[Whitebridges]

Trials in the field? Versus lead?

I think you are a dreamer my friend.

[Guest cookoff013]

Trials in the field? Versus lead?

I think you are a dreamer my friend.

 

- thats what was said years ago, when clayshooters changed from 32-30g then 28-24, then 21grams.

i`m going to load some up and give it a go !

these are faster than the factory steel, and lead loads.

they should respond differently, to chokes, as the shotcolumn is shorter.

 

@mr sitsinhedges,

 

there is a 5/8oz loads there as well, they would be equivalent to a 32g lead load. shotcount wise.. .

i`ve got the shotcount data. i`ll post it.

either way they`ll be cheap for clays, i`m going load 1000, and write a report.

i`ll load some 9s for skeet, 7s for sporting, 6s (5/8oz and 1/2oz) for pigeons.

i`ll pattern and compare the recoil. to a few cartridges.

 

1/2 oz of lead isnt much, but its used on phesants and pigeons in the .410.

 

please dont bash this because its steel. it isnt anti-lead.

its for those pigeon shooters who have to use steel, and are sick of the bigger slow loads.

i`ve used 4s and they were increadably slow.

Edited August 23, 2010 by cookoff013

[sitsinhedges]

- thats what was said years ago, when clayshooters changed from 32-30g then 28-24, then 21grams.

i`m going to load some up and give it a go !

these are faster than the factory steel, and lead loads.

they should respond differently, to chokes, as the shotcolumn is shorter.

 

 

they can easily be loaded for under £100 / 1k.

 

@mr sitsinhedges,

 

there is a 5/8oz loads there as well, they would be equivalent to a 32g lead load. shotcount wise.. .

i`ve got the shotcount data. i`ll post it.

either way they`ll be cheap for clays, i`m going load 1000, and write a report.

i`ll load some 9s for skeet, 7s for sporting, 6s (5/8oz and 1/2oz) for pigeons.

i`ll pattern and compare the recoil. to a few cartridges.

 

1/2 oz of lead isnt much, but its used on phesants and pigeons in the .410.

 

please dont bash this because its steel. it isnt anti-lead.

its for those pigeon shooters who have to use steel, and are sick of the bigger slow loads.

i`ve used 4s and they were increadably slow.

 

 

I wasn't bashing your post, just saying that it appeared to be a very light load compared to what we are used to

 

I had no idea how the pellet count compared but I doubt my shotmaker will cope with melting iron

[Guest cookoff013]

at £2.50 a kilo or less for steel shot. thats 70 loads per kg.

£0.04 a shot. powder and wad. should make the load a cheap alternate, with high velosity.

 

i`m wondering what the recoil would be like !

and the muzzel reoprt.

[UK fowler]

nice one the last 5/8oz load looks the kiddie post some patterns up ! if there good on pigeon they should a good teal load 5/8oz of 2.5mm should give you just over 280 pellets .Interesting concept

[Guest cookoff013]

it was originally designed for pigeon / clays. the shotcups have a shotsize limitation, although this can be sorted with a thick mylar wrap.

i got sick of guys posting shooting pigeons with BB-1-2-3 etc. and those posting "i shot pigeons with steel 7.5 and they are crappe"

 

i could just post up a 1oz fowl load, but the cost to shoot that fast is harsh, let alone the recoil.

the recoil part is more important to me. good for kids.

 

this fits in the middle, fast light loads. same shotcount as lead loads. good speed.

if you notice the speed can be increased, the 1/2 oz loads have low pressure so more powder can be crammed in there,

i dont know how much, but expect the speed to increase as more powder is added.

i dont think there is any need as i wanted 1700fps, and 1600fps minimum and 1/2 oz of shot.

 

 

now i`m not saying Fe#9 at 2500fps are as good as lead 5 at 1100fps.

 

but this is a compromise between the 7.5 guys and the BB guys.

 

i hope you can understand what i`m trying to acheive.

[UK fowler]

lets see some 30" circles Im keen to see if you can hold these together without after market chokes , A friend of mine loaded a 2000fps danish 7/8oz load and it just would not pattern even through terror chokes!

[motty]

it was originally designed for pigeon / clays. the shotcups have a shotsize limitation, although this can be sorted with a thick mylar wrap.

i got sick of guys posting shooting pigeons with BB-1-2-3 etc. and those posting "i shot pigeons with steel 7.5 and they are crappe"

 

i could just post up a 1oz fowl load, but the cost to shoot that fast is harsh, let alone the recoil.

the recoil part is more important to me. good for kids.

 

this fits in the middle, fast light loads. same shotcount as lead loads. good speed.

if you notice the speed can be increased, the 1/2 oz loads have low pressure so more powder can be crammed in there,

i dont know how much, but expect the speed to increase as more powder is added.

i dont think there is any need as i wanted 1700fps, and 1600fps minimum and 1/2 oz of shot.

 

 

now i`m not saying Fe#9 at 2500fps are as good as lead 5 at 1100fps.

 

but this is a compromise between the 7.5 guys and the BB guys.

 

i hope you can understand what i`m trying to acheive.

When you do make some of these loads, i would love to buy a few and test them out. All sounds very interesting to me.

[Guest cookoff013]

motty, i guess you dont reload. i wont sell any cartridges, but the data is there for all to have a go.

i reload very little, but i`m after ultra performance, not lumping bbs at pigeon,

 

if you are ever up my way, i`d be delighted. (pm inbound)

what gun do you use? what choke? i think the choke issue is fine, as the shotcolumn is 1/2 the size it usually is. but as a caution, i`ll recomend the industry standard of "no more than 1/2" whatever that is.

[motty]

No, i don't reload but one day i'd like to start. I've been using the xtrema alot just lately, usually with ic or 1/2.

I'd just be very interested to see how your loads would perform on pigeon and perhaps ducks on a flightpond.

I only normally use a small load on pigeon anyway (28gm & 1/2), as i don't believe you need anymore over decoys.

If your loads proved to be as good as you hope ( or even better) that may push me towards buying some reloading gear and giving it a go.