Evilv
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Cranners,
While I agree with you completely, you only quote one of the four General Licences that were granted by DEFRA for the control of birds. I am sure that you are aware of the other three licences but there may be those who aren't....so for those who don't know....
WLF18 is the licence which allows us to shoot over crops and arable land etc and that we all obey (Don't we boys and girls?).
That's a useful link PO3. I've saved that DEFRA PDA WLF18 in my favourites. When I started out ya just shot a crow a pigeon or a rook, whenever ya saw one close enough. Didn't seem to do them much harm since there are still millions of 'em about, but what do I know. Not being a leftwing, strident, anti-fieldsports tw*t, I don't suppose I should have any input into discussions of species welfare or the countryside really, should I?
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If you're at all interested, I'm about to sell my TX200. It isn't new, but is a very fine gun at 11.6ft pounds or as near the legal limit as you'd want to be. I shot about 180 plus rabbits with this gun last summer and very few ever got up to argue about it. It is deadly accurate and surprisingly quiet - much quieter than the Webley Axsor I bought for more money, but that is a multishot bolt action and doesn't need the cocking a springer does. Horses for courses I suppose. I'm going back to rimfire after a twenty year gap, because I have so much shooting that I want a flat shooting, deadly tool to do the job at longer range. At 35 yards to a max of 40, and this springer will put every one in the bag.
PM me if you want more info and pictures.
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The problem im having is im literally having to aim around 1inch left of the target to hit it dead centre....ive got the height just right but it always goes to the right....anyway i can sort this out? or is it just a **** rifle causing this?
I would never ever shoot anything alive with this thing...its just not accurate enough on the first shot....need one shot to work out where the line of sight is...
any other tips you can give me to do better, in the mean time ill save up for a better rifle.
Thanks guys
Sorry to suggest the obvious, but you have adjusted the rear site sideways, haven't you? If you've run out of adjustment, that's another matter. Also, as I recall, if you want the sighted point of impact to move to the left, you need to move the rear sight to the right.
You probably know all this, in which case ignore it.
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Welcome on board. No doubt you could get it to work well enough with mush tinkering but i'd save for a second hand unit like an air arms AA TX-200, or better still an AA S-200
I'll be selling my used TX200 soon when my FAC comes through. I shot about 180 rabbits with it last year.
If he's interested he can PM me - so can anyone else for that matter. It's used, has faded blue on the lever but is mechanically impeccable, is quiet and best of all deadly accurate if you can shoot a spinger.
I'm not sure what they go for, but I paid £250 for this outfit a year ago. I'd be thinking about £200. It has a Simons dearfield scope on it 3-9
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.25 is worse ballistic drop, and thats a hell of a range to be taking a rabbit at imvho. Out to 55-60 yards they will hit a lot harder and would be extremely useful..
If you are looking at that range regularly you would be better off with a moderated .22 rim or if you can deal with the crack a .17HMR.
Incidentally I saw someone take a rabbit at what must have been a full 120 yards with a .17HMR yesterday, quite a crack from it but hell it made a complete mess of the rabbit. I watched the shot through the binocs and it jumped and ran, Stealth's dog found it a good 20 yards from where it was hit and by the damage that was done I can't see how the hell it managed to move at all, it was MULLERED
Must have been pure adrennaline.The biggest problem I think any airgunner faces in field shooting is the curvy trajectory. This is enough of a problem with .22. The gun may put pellet upon pellet at the target range, but when a surprise rabbit presents itself along a hedge, in a wood, or in the corner of a field, the key issue isn't hitting hard, it's calculating the hold over/under, so you are certain you'll hit in the skull, and not its ear, or worse still its lower jaw. Hitting hard enough isn't the problem, it is hitting it hard in the exact right place that is, and the curvier the trajectory, the harder the problem.
I'm going for a .22 FAC airgun at about 25ft pounds with 14 grain pellets and a .22 rimfire to get away from gunnery calculations that wouldn't be out of place for the average mortar. I toyed with the idea of .17vmax and .17HMR, but decided that with the number of rabbits I need to cull, the ballistic crack might reduce my opportunities for follow up shots.
My advice to Tim_d would be to go for a .22 or even a .177. A rabbit with a hole in its brain never gets up again. That's a fact. I shot nine in a row that just fell over and twitched yesterday. That's because I knew the ground and the exact distance from my prone firing position to the warren they were playing outside.
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cheers axe have looked on ebay at a few just cautious about if the dot would show up on a bright day.
AAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
Don't do it.
The cheap e-bay ones are dog dirt.
In a nut shell if you zero the laser in with grub screws you will be disapointed. If you use turrets you will be better off.
(however saying that the laser on the bottom of AXE's s16 seem to do quite well and that is grub screws, I dunno maybe I am talking out my ars3!
I bought a really cheap chinese 'laser' last year and it wasn't a laser at all. It was a bright led with a crappy lense and it wouldn't light up a target at twenty yards in daylight. KEEP away from too good to be true offers. They really are too good to be true.
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Yes - I know what you mean. My feeling is, I freeze them within three hours of shooting them, process them when convenient and either use immediately or freeze them as burgers for use as required. Basically, they've been frozen until they're used.
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Re insects and such - I've shot a load of rabbits this summer and at times they had flies all over them as I left them in heaps until I'd finished the session when I'd gut and bag them. Problem was, some of my recipients complained that by the time they got to skinning them a day and a bit later, they were crawling with maggots. After that, I dropped them in a big freezer overnight in the black binbag and then thawed them out and gave them away. No more maggots. I guess the eggs don't do well after a spell at minus 20 centigrade. I must have about thirty odd rabbits in their skins in the freezer now. I don't know if anyone can come up with a reason not to do this, but it does seem to knack the parasites - fleas as well.
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I bought one of those ebay cheepo things for £0.99 with about £6.oo post and packing. Although it looks reasonable on first looking at it, I don't think it is even a laser. It has a terribly fat spot and a poor range. A cheapo LASER pointer i used to have could be seen at 300 yards on a dull day. This thing hardly goes down the garden at dusk. I dismantled it and I believe it to be an ultra bright LED and not a laser. It depends completely on a crappy plastic lense to ring the spot down to 1/2 inch at ten yards. That is not laser type performance which would produce that kind of spot at hundreds of yards. Total waste of money even at the price I paid for it. The tragedy is, the metalwork on the thing is quite nice - for a few more coppers, it could have been a half way decent thing. Cynical Chinese counterfieting rubbish.
AVOID
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Im not even convinced tha its a good idea to shoot them with any type of rifle, IF you miss and wound but it flies, you cant deliver another round to finish it cos youd be shooting in the air. Personally i think a shotgun is the only 99%safe way to get rid of them.
And you don't think a shotgun is as likely towound one as an airrifle headshot?
Think again then. Large numbers of wildfowl are carrying leadshot from speculative shotgunners having a go at 50+ yards. I've been wildfowling afew times and seen the way people bang one off at any goose that ventures within a hundred yards of them.
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Oh - I'm sorry it's come to this...
The fact that this form wasn't like the other airgun forum is why I came here.
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This might not be any use Axe, but the only thing like that I had with my new (second hand) webley axsor, was one occasion when for some reason, I could hear a faint hiss coming from the filling valve when I'd disconnected the hose. It would for sure have drained away all the air if I hadn't noticed it. Maybe it was a tiny bit of dust under the filling valve seat. I connected the hose, re-pressurised it and put in a few more pumps of air, hearing it go into the chamber with that 'squeak' you get. I opened the hose bleed valve fast and the filler valve shut tight. There wasn't any repetition and I think it must have been a one off.
Hope yours is the same.
One thing, If you pump it up again, I'd imagine you'll hear the escape of air, if there is one. Even a small escape should make some kind of sound, surely?
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Get a rifle mate.
Why would you willingly go hunting with:
A.) an underpowered tool
B.) a tool that is much more difficult to shoot accurately at a hunting range
I have an air pistol of about 5.5 ft pounds muzzle energy which I use to slaughter my fat chickens. I put it on their head and pull the trigger. It's a Crosman 1300 .22 pump up and it will kill any sized chicken at 1 cm very convincingly indeed. Thirty five years ago when I was a rogue and first had it, I shot numerous pheasants with it at ten yards. THEY RAN AWAY!!!
For my hunting, I use a near full legal powered air rifle.
Pistols by law must be lower than 6 ft pounds in muzzle energy (assuming you are a Brit here...) Most available pistols in the UK are well lower than this limit, and even at the full legal level, they would be underpowerd for killing small vermin beyond 15 yards. This assumes that you can group ALL your shots within an inch at that distance - unlikely with a pistol, I would say. Outside that limit, you will simply injure animals and leave them to suffer and maybe die of infection or trauma over many days. Not a sensible or humane man's way really.
To be honest, in my experience, the legal powered air rifle limit should be the minimum for hunting, unless the rabbits are tame enough for you to get as close as 15 - 20 yards. I have a B3 air rifle which is about 6 - 7 foot pounds and have shot rabbits with it, but never at further than 20 yards. Beyond that, I use my TX200 or Webley Axsor which are both right near the legal limit of 12 ft pounds.
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The licensing of air weapons and an amnesty for the law abiding not wishing to license would ensure that all new and used sales/transfers were recorded, and might go a small way in reducing the incidence of both accidental and intentional shootings.
Of course it would not significantly reduce the overall number of air weapons now in circulation and the mindless yobs who blight society would simply carry on regardless.
The mindless yobs who blight society are those people who think that by licensing everything they'll stop the crimes. Criminals with guns (of any sort) or indeed anything else such as vehicles that should be licensed DO NOT have/need/get licenses. When will people learn. All they do is persecute the law abiding citizens who make up the backbone of this country.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Licensing will have no effect whatever on gun crime.
Have handgun offences declined since all legal handguns were removed from circulation? You know the figures as well as I do.
Pure populist politics - a chance for worthless TV presenters and unprincipled politicians to go home at night and say, 'I pretended to be some use again - and got away with it for another day.'
You don't think that ***** Mconnell believes he's going to save lives do you? It's all about staying in the gravy train. Press the right buttons and a stupid electorate might just keep you in the £150K job for another few years.
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Lite pellets will go supersonic just after leaving the barrel (a few yards) then bang your pellet is tumbling and totaly inacurate also asit goes hypersonic a massive ammount of energy (volocity) is drained from the pellet efectivly cutting the range in half..
i dont understand as using this rationalle my .17hmr that fires a 17 grain bullet at 2550fps would be inacurate. the truth is it is a bloody accurate little rifle.
pete
i dont understand as using this rationalle my .17hmr that fires a 17 grain bullet at 2550fps would be inacurate. the truth is it is a bloody accurate little rifle.
pete
Different twist rate in the rifling.
Yours is much faster and has a jacketed bullet so that it can hold the rifling at that velocity and twist rate.
And yes the .17HMR is extraordinarily accurate, but it's a very different beast isn't it.
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I've never let my Axsor get to anything like empty, but I can replace the air for 50 shots in about 90 seconds of pumping. It'll save that Gym membership fee I was thinking of spending too - well maybe not - to be honest I think it's a doddle.
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No - you need two clergymen and a Canadian General to attest to the destruction process and you have to promise to pursue entirely legal shooting ever afterwards.
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I live in Northern Ireland and have been shooting airguns, mainly hunting for about 2 years. I have never had any problems with the strict airgun laws here, until now. Although Airguns are not easily bought inside N.Ireland, there were previously no import laws against buying them online, in England or in Scotland. But recently i have tried to buy a new rifle, an new Logun S-16 instead of my BSA lightning but i am told that import laws will not allow it anymore, and so internet sites will no longer ship to N.Ireland.
Short of getting a full FAC from the PSNI, i dont seem to have any options.
Any advice guys??
I wonder how many Jeff Walkers there are in NI?
I think I'd dismantle that airgun at once and decommission it. Put it - what's the phrase - Beyond Use.
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I'm new to pcp, and I bought a second hand Hill's pump. It's the only one I've dealt with, but it seems excellent to me, and frankly, I don't know why people complain about the effort of pumping up a rifle. Work is good for you, and there's nowt to stop yopu taking a breather if you want. I got mine for £70.
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Just goes to show that actually knocking on the door works better than probably just sending letters to people, after all the Farmer hasn't got a clue what the person is like who wrote it.Too right. Just think how you react to that pile of unsolicited letters offering all sorts of services that land on your doormat every day.
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If I went for a FAC air rifle, I'd gain maybe another ten yards and increase the chance that minor deviations of fractions of a minute of arc would cause me to miss the old brain box due to the extra distances I'd be tempted to shoot at.
Evilv
At what foot poundage are you talking just to gain an extra 10 yds .I speak for myself when i say that knowing the characteristics of the gun like i do ,with no wind i can kill rabbits cleanly at 75yds although i mainy operate around 60 yds and would no doubt yourself would be just as capable .
I've said this before ,,,,,,,,,,There is no substitution for age ,experience and patiance where the 12 ft lber is concerned as the operator is nearly always using the gun to it's MAXIMUM potential where the margin for error is miniscule. :thumbs:
Cheers Ive B)
Well - let's say 25 ft pounds. Setting up chairgun with that power the optimum zero is 38 yards. It shoots flat (i/2 inch up and down for 45 yards, and by 60 yards, we're already into 3 inches of hold over. By 70 yards it's 7 inches. At 35 foot pounds the seven inch drop comes in at 82 yards. Of course you'll get more chances at longer ranges, but only at the cots of a LOT more wind drift and likely error.
I'm not knocking it - just an observation that by sticking to a max of forty yards, I can kill them outright 97% of the time and I have no hassle with special firearms regs.
I used to have .22lr and .22wmr, and I'm familiar with the control issues that come in with that legal definition of 'firearm'. Also, the heavier bullets used in rimfire don't drift nearly as much in wind. My shooting is high up in the Pennines and there's always at least a breeze. Different people have different needs though. My comments are just a reflection of my own feelings and every other guy will have his own view.
Cheers...
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I was sitting in the wood yesterday, waiting for some bunnys. I'd been sitting still about ten minutes, back to a wall, not camo'd up or anything, just a green mucky old anorak thing on with the hood up, and two rabbits ran up from out of sight over a hummock and surprised me by stopping and scampering about together ten feet from me. Couldn't believe it - I just sat and watched them nibbling grass (I'd already shot seven which I had strewn all around me ready for gutting. Anyway, they only ran away when I scratched at an annoying fly on my face, and when they did, three others ran up the hill towards me and then ran back. One, sad for her, ran twenty five yards from me and stopped in full view (unlike the others who were out of sight). At that point, sentimentality and interest in observing the behaviour of the genus 'Lepus' drained away and an accupell was sent right through her head.
I've taken 136 rabbits off that one place since the beginning of July. They're less tame now though, and I'm having to stop after about ten per three hour session. Earlier in the saeason, I was getting twice that. The bag was really limited by what I was prepared to gut and carry away. I've been shooting since 1975, and I've never seen anything like the rabbits there. The place is about ten acres and is (was) infested.
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My TX200 kills rabbits very effectively and without the suffering described above by Dave, as long as I keep within the range i know I can hit their brains at, and as long as I don't use it in windy weather when I can't judge the windage precisely enough.
My newly accquired Axsor is even better since as a pcp it's light and easier to shoot (no jump from big springs and pistons). Last Monday I fired at ten rabbits between thirty and forty yards away. There were nine instant kills and one that twitched for about ten seconds. It is a tool of almost surgical precision. In one case i was stalking a warren I know, approaching standing and up wind. I saw two sets of ears poking above the grass and aimed at the root of one pair as I pulled the trigger. It was an offhand shot that later transpired to be thirty six yards. The rabbit was dead on the spot and at the same instant it was hit half an inch below its ear. The pellet went in one side and exited the eye on the other.
If I went for a FAC air rifle, I'd gain maybe another ten yards and increase the chance that minor deviations of fractions of a minute of arc would cause me to miss the old brain box due to the extra distances I'd be tempted to shoot at.
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Good idea Graham.
SEVICING A HILLS PUMP
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I was just thinking I should take a deek inside my Hillspump since it's done a bit of work this year. It would be a real pain if it stopped working when I need it.