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An old priest who visited our family gave me a book called 'Jock of the Bushveld' when I was about ten. It was about this kid in South Africa around the end of the nineteenth century. He wandered all over shooting springbok and other game. These tales of camping under the stars and feeding yourself with .45 caliber rifle, hunter's stews and the open air really fired me up and I read everything I could get about that kind of life; stories about poachers were especially exciting. I'm ashamed to say that as a kid I shot sparrows with a .177 Diana, but as I grew up and got my own house, I read up on shotgun etiquet and got myself some shooting permission and a certificate. I bought a second hand Spanish gun called an Essex and still have it. It's done some work over the last 31 years. In the eighties I got into rifles in a big way and owned .22lr and .22wmr for pest control, but also had an Enfield Mark 4 .303, a .45 caliber muzzle loader, a .58 caliber muzzle loader which had devatating power and a black powder revolver. At the gunclub, I shot everything going from .44 magnum revolvers to .45/70 sharps and trapdoor springfields. They even had miniature cannon there, but I couldn't see the point of that. Just a waste of time, powder and lead.
I gave up most of my shooting in the late eighties due to work and family committments and came back to it when I took early retirement. Now I shoot maybe two or three days a week when I'm not working.
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Hi People,
Not sure if I'm in the right bit, but I'm here so Hello to all, I've not long joined the forum but have been browsing it for a while, very good, loads of info
I use Air rifles, Shotguns and work Ferrets, I've been on the look out for land to shoot on and recently had some success, a lot of No's in the process but got there in the end, 900 acres mixed ground with some woods and a small pond.
I'm hopeing to apply for my FAC in the future but not really got a clue about what rifle I'm after, it would be for longer range rabbits and the odd fox should one appear.
Looking forward to becomeing a regular poster.
Hi Davo,
Well done on getting your land. Tha's a nice amount to have. Is it mostly arable or for stock?
There is some lovely countryside in Midlothian. I drove up to Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago and I spent more time scanning the landscape for signs of rabbits than anything else. There's a nice hilly section north of Berwick where the road follows a railway line and that looked promising - near Grants House maybe - not that sure. I spent that part of the trip imagining wandering there with my rifle. Didn't hear a word the wife was saying, while repeating occasionally, 'Yes dear. That's right.' It got me through the journey. Shopping in Edinburgh was a different story though.
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Then highlight and copy one of the links they offer you to the image. They are at different resolutions so you can pick the sise you want. I usually use the 'Direct link to image' one, but I make sure that I re-size the image to an appropriate size as I load it up. You'll see how to do that on that page I directed you to with that link above.
Then paste the link into the little window the forum gives you when you click on the insert image icon on this site. It looks like a little tree at the top of the text entry form when you are posting here.
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Sad.
There were a couple of guys who used to use an ancient punt gun on the Holy Island mud flats. As I understand the tale, one of them was blown apart while dragging the punt up onto a beach when the damned thing went of with about 4oz of shot loaded into it. The other was killed a couple of years later when it exploded and a four inch chunk of steel struck him in the neck.
I shall think of this next time I feel inclined to climb over a gate with a loaded gun.
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The hardest part would be doing a fifteen stretch with a bunch of morons - that and the fact that all of my respectable friends would run a mile from me when I came out. Not to mention that my poor dead mother would be so disappointed up in heaven.
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I can see both sides of the debate. But the principal for licensing is surely to prevent opportunist crime. If a license is introduced then surely it will prevent these bored out of job teenagers buying a £25 gun and missusing it.
How? There are millions of them all over the place, and anyone who wanted one could surely get it.
If the guns are licensed the Police will have more power to act on those that flaunt the law. This in principle will reduce the number of opportunist airgun accidents/incidents. Many of the guns may well stay in circulation but people will be more afraid to be seen with them. Lets not keep referring to the serious criminal though, they certainly arent interested in a 12ft/lb rifle, are they?But the already have ALL the power they need to act against opportunist crimes with airguns. They have plenty of power already. References to the hand gun ban has simply been to show how futile the most draconian bans are in depriving those who won't respect the rules. The answer is to have EFFECTIVE punishment of idiots.
In order to move forward things must change, its a shame but thats the way it is. EU laws get tougher by the minute and the Police get less and less power to act. If licensing is not the answer then what is?Move forward on the right front by all means. The issue isn't the guns, it is the total lack of respect, decency, sense of responsibility, of a MINORITY of people. Most people are as sound as any of us here. Sadly police spend so much time dealing with the dross of humanity that they start to believe that everybody is dross and needs to be vetted before being allowed to walk the streets or wipe their own a*se. I know some who think just like that. The default position for them is that people are bad until they prove otherwise. Fortunately, they don't make policy and the presumption of our common law is that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. This allows most of us to go about unhindered in our everyday lives and pursuits, but this does not stop the cops from calling for more and more powers, especially in relation to firearms, but last I heard, they were the ones shooting electricians in the head eight times and letting off guns on dark staircases while arresting dusky youths of dubious character. If you want to see some real menace with firearms talk to Harry Stanley's relatives. He was shot dead whilst drunk in charge of a table leg, and all the other ludicrous cases of shootings of mental cases who could have been sorted in other ways, or of course the armed response unit that lost its firearm because they went somewhere leaving the car unlocked and the gun in the footwell...... LOL and they come and pass ME as fit to own a rimmy and a shogun? Don't make me laugh mate.
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Cheers mate.
I did warn him not to sign on, but what can you say to a 24 year old with a bee in his bonnet?
Anyway, at least he can shoot straight.
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I think I'd take my webley axsor and the Hill's pump, but only as long as I could take tools and spare 'O' rings and stuff to maintain it.
If I really had a choice though, it would be my CZ 425 and 10,000 rounds of Eley Subsonic. I suspect that with a little oil and a few rags, I'd be able to feed myself for a lifetime then. The model I have also has rugged and very accurate iron sights. I whipped off the scope and tried it over 60 yards. They are bang on for elevation, but the groups were a bit bigger for obvious reasons. That way, if I broke my scope, I'd still be able to use it albeit that I would need to be a little closer so as not to spoil the meat with body shots.
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Alls well that ends well.
Yes I agree. I can't see what you took out, but then that would require tha I remembered what was there, whioch since I'm turning senile is a problem.
Who would be a mod??? A difficult path to tread maybe.
C ya later.
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Evilv
Just for the record i am most certainly not a Fan of Blairs. He has LOST THE PLOT. :o
But unlike most my biggest hate for Blair is his support of Bush & our Foreign policy's.
Should the "terrorist" acts of others take the lifes of any of my Family there will only one Person i will holding accountable that will be Blair
PELTMAN
I agree about that. I have a son in the TA who may be off to Afghanistan in the springtime. What was that song about Springtime in Paradise?
Thanks for your patience in the face of my tirade.
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I guess its been AXED
I just finnished typing my joke posted it & bang it went
I didn't think it was that bad so i've tried again :o
PELTMAN
LOL - there's no freedom of speech any more, just like there's no presumption that we're to be trusted.
Ok i've put the thread back on after removing a couple of lines on a few posts that caused offence. Lets try and keep it sensible eh.
Most certainly. I thought we had been.
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Not being picky here mate but it would have been interesting to see the votes cast on an additional option "because it is wrong to do it"
That is the real point behind the problems we have in society today IMHO, too many scumbags out there with no idea of common decency or consideration for others. I realise that bank robbery is a major "indiscretion" but if something is wrong its wrong.
Here here!
That IS the point.
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Why did I even bother. Next time I'm in a gun shop and this happens , I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything , and im sure as hell not going to post anything about it. The best course of action is to burry your head in a bucket of sand and pretend you know nothing
Given the story you reported about the couple wanting to shoot intruders, and what else I know, I'd say you shouldn't do anything of the kind. I think that I as a respectable citzen would have felt obliged to say something like, 'You do realise that what you are proposing is a serious offence and that you are expressing an intent to commit that offence.' I would then ask the gun dealer if he intended to enter into their conspiracy to commit that offence by supplying the air rifle, but that's just me an ordinary citizen.
What I would not do is then go on to propose that because I had witnessed some individuals with bad intent, all Englishmen should be prevented from buying an air rifle unless they can satisfy the local constabulary that they are fit and proper citizens. You see mate, the English law has a presumption that we are innocent until we demonstrate that we are not.
Now I don't want to offend Peltman who is obviously a fan, but where Blair goes wrong is that he and his vile party are quite prepared to remove such presumptions from minority groups like shooters, because it is popular - not because it is effective or anything, which we know it wouldn't be, but because it would help disguise the state of ruin that every branch of the Home Office is now in. What hs the Home Office got right in the last twenty years? Tell me ONE thing. Instead of doing something about all the pond life, why not ACT in some senseless but popular way against an unpopular group - trample all over their fundamental rights just so that they can hide the miserable failure to catch tha actual offenders and punish them properly - eh? Yes that's the slimy Labour 'spin' ticket mate.
By the way - one other thing Mimic - one might like to ask why this couple ever conceived of the thought that they had to shoot at intruders with an airgun..... Could it be that they had like many reported minor crime, over and over again and been left high and dry by the 'need to prioritise crimes' so that only murder and mayhem actually get dealt with? What does that say to the average citizen? In my book, it says, 'Sort it out yourself mate, because we don't think it's important.'
Meanwhile - the Chavs rule and they will until we change the government and societies tolerance of welfare sucking , criminal parasites instead of hiding under the stone of swamping ordinary free men and women with burocracy and having a permit to breathe.......
Don't get me started or I might get cross....
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The world we live in is running out of resources and the only ways to generate a growing GDP is to tie everything in beaurocracy,this gives us more managers and pencil pushers(apologies if you work in an office I`m not having a go)we have more wars and civil disturbances,we have a blame culture,we allow people into this country willy nilly so they can do the jobs that we would rather not do and thus creates a new government office to advise those in parliament and there downward more and more jobs and therefore more GDP.
Things will not get more liberal they will get tighter and harder and tied up in more red tape until you end up going round in circles and disappearing up your own bottom.Lead shot will eventually be banned.Quarry will get removed from lists.Airguns will have to be licensed(somehow).
Still ,tomorrows another day
Only if we let it happen Henry. Oppose ANY anti-freedom legislation with all your might and denounce all those who want to tie us all up. We should take a leaf out of the American book here (though I have a lot of issues with some of their ways). To be honest, and I realise this might seem an offensive analogy and I don't want to offend, but this proposal here coming from us shooters seems a bit like Jews in Nazi Europe suggesting it's a fine thing to get registered for a yellow star so they can demonstrate what good citizens they are.
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In conjuction with the recent thread now discussing Airgun Licensing, I thought a poll would be rather interesting.
Personally, I think all Airguns should be licensed just as Shotguns and Rimfire/Centrefire Rifles are. Is there a reason that the government havent implememnted such a scheme? Are they right not to introduce licensing?
Continue the debate and have your say.
Of course not.
Licensing air guns would have no more effect on airgun yobbery than banning hand guns has had on stopping yardies, and gangsters of all kinds getting them and using them in our cities.
Criminals NEVER take notice of our laws and will use their native cunning to get hold of anything they want. This is why Chavs, Neds and all manner of yobbos have all the heroin, crack, guns, unlicenced / uninsured cars, your property and mine, and any other illegal thing they want. Why should anyone feel they and their little rat of a brother won't get himself an airgun if he wants one? I mean - isn't it obvious that the airgun yobbery we all object to is illegal already? So what is the point of making the average sensible lad or man who wants an airgun go snivelling to the local plod for a license to do what he should be fre to do anyway?
This last point is actually the most important thing for me - the relationship between the state and the individual; should be an enabling one. However, here in Britain, and all the more so since that Tw*t B. Liar got into power in 1997, the relationship is more and more of worthy, head shaking nannies telling free human beings how to think, speak and what they can have. Sorry Axe - I like you and you gave me much good advice last year when I took up air gunning in my early retirement, but honestly old chap, I am not in the mood to surrender ANY more of my autonomy to Tony Poppins' Nanny Party, so they can send me to friend Plod and ask permission to do some harmless hobby. I am am a man of 55 with a thirty five year clean driving licence and nil convictions, but I'm damned if I will tolerate any more looking over so I can walk down the street and buy a popgun.
Most people are sound and law abiding. Those who aren't need to be dealt with severely and you don't do that buy tieing up the good people in useless red tape and burocracy. The joke is, when Ned Chav gets picked up for shooting at cats nothing happens to him. He gets a fine, walks out of court and pays nothing. There are billions owed in unpaid fines, meanwhile Joe Citizen, duly fills in the forms, jumps through hoops and his compliance does nothing at all to solve the problem of Ned Chav and his nasty ways. The Tony Poppins Nanny Party however, loves to show the citizenry how they are all so much safer because they have 'acted' against airgun crime........ What a load of old twaddle mate. A few whippings of Ned and his mates might be a more useful direction to head in, but that would be far too nasty, wouldn't it, so lets just lead the rest of us around the hoops like a bunch of gelded donkeys instead.
I went for NO - can't see the point or the priority (especially when vs. the cost of implementation).Why not license sharp knives? They kill / injure more than airguns each year?
Licensing is a poor substitute for installing more responsibility and common sense into people.
Bravo - nail meet hammer.
Those who think controls will help stamp out crime need to look at some of the figures for hand gun crime since all legal hand guns over .22 were banned outright. Look at history and learn from it, I say.
For my money I'd say NO.What we need is less restrictions not more but coupled with proper use of existing law, stiff penalties for breaking them and a return to such things as "hard labour". Trouble is we've been under the hand of "soft Labour" for far too long with petty laws and legislation to cover everything instead of using existing laws.
You should be able to carry a knife in public, it's an inert item with no intrinsic danger attached to it. If you then use it to harm somebody else you should get a really stiff penalty.
Same applies to air rifles or anything else with potential to harm, those who act reasonably shouldn't keep getting penalised for the actions of the antisocial minority.
Rant over, tin hat on, retreats to nuclear fall out shelter.
Sound man. Post more often. Couldn't agree more. Well said.
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Get real,would you pay to advertise somewhere that your competitor didn`t
If you don`t like it here don`t stay but please don`t vent spleen because it doesn`t fit with your thoughts.Have a laugh and a bit of craic,join in with a healthy debate,give some of your experience to those that have little.In short add a little to this community.
I thought he just did Henry old chap. I agree with just about every word he said about law, order and government (apart from the bit about the url which I know nothing about).
A. ****.
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I feel an Air rifle of 12ftlbs is not sufficient for even rabbits , I wouldn't take anything larger than a rat with one myself. However that's my opinion.
I shot about 180 rabbits last year with an 11.8 ft pound air rifle. It would do the job at 20 35 yards pretty well if I was dead on in my shooting. The problem is, I'm not always dead on - who is honestly?
That's why I've gone for rimfire. I don't like runners - not a bit, and I know nobody does so I'm not pointing fingers at anyone else. Since I got the CZ a month ago, I've had about a hundred stone dead, instant kills. and one that I needed a follow up shot for because of wind drift. What would have been runners with the old gun, just twitch for a few seconds. The only worry I have is that I could err towards the nose and do some horrible damage without an outright kill. To avoid this, I always aim at the area betwen the eye and kneck over about 40 yards and if there's cross a breeze, I won't shoot unless it's the rabbot's body that is down wind rather than its nose.
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thanks for that link. its a real eye opener. If It was me in that position I would have elected for trial in a crown court. The magistrates are always against the accused!. Anyway, my point though is why do the BASC not object to shooting a rabbit in the head, but then recommend against shooting a seagull in the head? its not because the birds are protected, is it because seagulls are considered too big for an average air rifle to kill humanely?
In my experience magistrates are not at all always against the accused. I spent a lot of time observing courts this year since I was thinking of applying to be a JP. I saw laughably guilty people walking free - I mean obviously guilty, but being given the benefit of the doubt.
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Fister is completely right in what he says.
I have the long barrelled CZ 425 standard and I can't speak highly enough of it. This is a test target I shot in 15 mph wind yesterday at 60 and 70 yards aiming at the centre spot. I always do a check before I start on the rabbits when I go out. The holes are about an inch apart on the 60 yard target and a bit less at 70, but obviously a bit lower since I am using the really silent Eley subs with a sound moderator. I find this ammo just brilliant. Devastatingly effective at 50 - 60 yards. Some of the heads are just emptied at that range - just like a cracked open egg shell. I do shoot further - up to about 80 yards, but for me, that's chancing it because my scope is a cheap one. I only do that because the places I'm shooting are over-run, and I have to get a lot of control done.
At one warren yesterday, I approached to 50 - 60 yards and shot seven rabbits stone dead with consecutive shots. They were all there at the start of the shooting and the gun is so quiet that none of them even noticed what was going on. It was just 'Ping - TWACK', reload, 'Ping -Thwack' right through the lot of them.
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Shot a few rabbits with funny eyes of late. A sort of baldness around the eyes. One appeared to be blind on one side and had obvious fleas. Most of my rabbits are pretty fit but I examine every carcase I take for human food for basic healthy condition. Some have liver fluke from one place - even the young rabbits. I saw some cysts in a rabit around the liver yesterday - they were kind of in a mucous trail in the chest. They might have been tape worm cysts - I don't know.
Since I went over to hollow point rimfire, it is often difficult to examine the eyes. There is often not a lot left if shot at 50 - 60 yards. They don't argue much mind - 'Ping - SLAP' and they roll down the hill. I still can't believe the CZ is much quieter than any of my airrifles.
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Well Mimic, I AM an old ***, only this old *** expects to be allowed to free and not to have every aspect of his life taken over by useless burocrats who want to license and regulate everything to no effect.
The point is the regulation will not work with chavs / neds because they take no notice of any law and seem able to obtain every sort of controled substance / article and use them against the rest of us without any hindrance at all, and when they do get caught they get let off or fined, and then they ignore the fine and carry on willy nilly.
The answer is in my signature, but the lefty do gooders won't hear of the effective punishment of offenders and devote their attention to head shaking and control of everybody else. Any form of licence will just be a prelude to total control and banning. Until 1920 anyone could have a firearm and the assumption was you'd treat it responsibly. Firearms crime was virtually nil. Now - well you know the rest. Of course once registered, control got more and more severe and all on the basis of the acts of isolated nutters like Michael Ryan, Sartin and Hamilton. The actions of three nutters led to a ban on semi auto centrefire rifles (which I used to enjoy shooting in the 1980s) pistols (which I used to enjoy) and semi auto shotguns. I'm afraid the term 'turkeys looking forward to Christmas' sums up the pleadings of shooters for more control. History shows it pretty clearly.
It's all been said - we control and regulate cars, the chavs drive anyway and ignore every rule in the book.
Respects to all - we have different opinions on this and won't agree or convert one another.
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EvilV
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You all seem to lose sight that a lot of crime can be stopped by a licence system those crimes beiing the pot shots at Animals & people which make up a larg number of the gun crim figs.
PELTMAN
Oh yes, like nobody is shooting up Nottingham city centre with hand guns every night of the week are they? Handgun crime has NEVER been so high, so what price the handgun ban?
Like I said earlier, you can bring anything you like through the Channel Ports. They don't have enough manpower to stop smuggling on a massive scale. I'm told you can buy a handgun and ammunition for three or four hundred quid in some places, so how will a licensing system stop yobs getting new air weapons, let alone any of the hundreds of thousands of airguns that are legally held now?
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It makes me shudder when I hear calls from within the shooting community for more restrictions on their own sport.
All restrictions should be resisted. We have no given right comparible to the US constitution to bear arms so I would speak with caution when this freedom that has been granted by the government could so easily be withdrawn. Every single new restriction is another nail in the coffin of the shooting sport in the UK.
Banning air rifles or even licencing them will not stop anyone who really wants one from getting one. Should I remind you that its possible for a criminal to obtain a fully functioning AK47 in the UK? If they want something then they'll get it because criminals operate outwith the law. Law abiding citizens operate within it and therefore are the only people affected by tighter laws and regulations. Delinquents abusing air rifles should be prosecuted to the fullest extent under the law as it stands which I think youll find is more than adequate but isnt used correctly.
Labour shouldnt be the only ones getting blamed for gun control but the Conservatives were just as bad with the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 and banning all pistols except .22. They are all as bad as each other.
Well said. I agree.
There is a stupid idea gaining ground that the more controled we are the better and happier we will be. I've even heard freaks demanding number plates for bicycles because some plonkers in lycra jump traffic lights. NOTHING gets my goat more than having to ask policemen and burocrats if I can do ordinary things - excercising freedoms that we've had for years. Law should start with a presumption that the citizen is free to engage in whatever hobbies and pastimes he likes, unless in doing so he damages the rights of others, and that doesn't mean that he might, or that he conceivably could do harm if he happens to be mad. That was the basis of the handguns ban, the repeating shotguns ban and a whole lot of other bans - that some nutter could flip and do harm, so the presumption must be that everyone is a nutter. Every time some loony does something horrid, the cops are demanding more and more controls and mandatory sentences. Jeez - my own Chief Constable was recently on record demanding a mandatory five year sentence for anyone found in the street with anything sharp about his person - I kid you not. Now we have sporting shooters calling for the assumption to be enacted into law that people who might buy airguns are probably not responsibel enough to have them and should be banned from buying a milbro pellet because they probably want to blind a cat with it.
By the way, I got banned from airgunbbs for taking this line with some self appointed 'representatives of the better sort in the sport', who advocated that no one should be allowed to have an airgun unless they had been OKayed by people like them who ran shooting clubs after a probationary period to see that they were thoroughly the right sort (ie, just like them, a bunch of opinionated old ****).
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Having read further, I can't believe how many control freaks there are in here advocating total control of airguns. What next - certificates for carving knives, hammers, knitting needles?
You don't need to restrict access you need to punish offenders. The whole relationship of the state to the individual is going wrong in this country. I should be free to acquire objects, and act in liberty until I injure the rights of someone else. Then, the law should act against me. Turning the country into a big jail where you need a bit of paper to show you can walk the streets (identity card - another wish of control feaks) only makes us all like slaves. Hundreds of thousands of people enjoy their airguns in their back gardens, fields and at clubs. A few dozen do stupid and deplorable things with them. Punish the guilty NOT the innocent.
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That's a ghastly tale.
I don't shoot in the borders, but in the North Pennines. I took up shooting again last year, gained a few permissions with an airrifle and then converted to .22LR. There's a much better margin of error for clean kills now, albeit that I have to make myself stop and ask questions about where the lead will end up.