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Someone on the radio just said quite rightly that he aggravated dangerous animals for a living. Stingrays don't sting unless they are under attack. People usually get stung on the foot after treading on them. The fact that he was stabbed through the heart by one tells a lot - remember how he used to jump out of boats and wrestle in the water with crocodiles...... Had it coming I'm afraid. He played russian roulette for a long time and got away with it.
Mind - having said all that, if there's any justice in the world, one day I'll be stamped to death by a giant buck rabbit.
Off out to murder a few more just now.
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is it ok to shoot them with a .177
No, but a marble in a catapult is fine. Just make sure the elastic is about a 1/4 of an inch thick and keep the range under 75 yards. You need a velocity of about 44 fps.
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There are that many absolute idiots about that it makes it too easy for Blair's lot to take away what little freedom there is in this area of sport.
I suppose some of you heard the news on Friday about the RSPCA demanding air weapons be controled on certificate, because of an increase in the number of pets being shot with air guns. On Radio 4 some range owner foolishly came on saying that he had about three people a week asking to join so they could learn how to shoot cats. Is he just a tactless knacker or do such people hope to profit from a general prohibition of using an airgun in your own garden? Probably the latter since he sounded quite bright.
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Ha - I just kick them to death, but only do it in slippers because I'm nowt if not humane.
Before anybody says it, I know there weren't any slippers when some of ya were lads, only clogs and oranges in stockings at Christmas, but my grandad never had any stockings, only bare feet.
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Thanks for your input Dave. Very helpful.
There is huge confusion certainly around these issues and a lot of mythology.
I'm not sure what specific acts of parliament say about the fox as vermin, but it is CERTAINLY regarded as vermin in common parlance. The fox is vermin therefore under the normal use of the English language.
Defra has fox on a list of pest species along with rats, mice and rabbits as an animal that can be killed without any form of licence - ie 'vermin' though the term that is coming into vogue is 'pest species'.
On the point of non- certificated people and firearms. The 1968 firearms act specifically allows for people and young people to use firearms under the direct supervision of occupiers of land to shoot firearms. Police, according to the Countryside Alliance on this matter interpret occupiers of land to mean those with shooting rights and permissions. The idea that a person checked by police as responsible and law abiding should have fewer rights to discharge a firearm belonging to the occupier of the land in his presence than ***** Joe who has no certificate at all, is simply ludicrous and I am sure that should such a case ever arrive there, it would be very quickly laughed out of court.
The bottom of this page mentions the matter of the exemptions in section 11 of the Firearms Act 1968:
http://www.countryside-alliance.org/shooti...ms_Legislation/
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This whole area is probably a goldmine for lawyers.
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Have you got your pals rifle on your ticket Browning? If not you may be admitting to a firearms offence on a public forum
How's that? Is he not entitled to fire the rifle under the direct supervision of the certificate holder? I don't know, but that is my feeling. I base this on the fact that in the 1980s when I joined a shooting club, which had many police among its members, I was allowed to hire a variety of weapons and shoot them under supervision without any certificate except my shotgun license. Many there hired all kinds of pistols and long arms that were not on their certificates and blazed away two afternoons a week without incident or question, including members who were policemen.
Also, since when did the police have power to decide that you can't shoot a fox with an HMR when they granted permission for you own it to shoot vermin. Is not the common fox vermin? Of course, as with any species and any rifle caliber, no sensible man would shoot at an animal at ranges where he was unsure that he could kill it outright. While a fox should certainly not be shot with an HMR or a .22LR at long ranges, a fox can clearly be killed humanely by a shot to the head at a suitable range with either of these calibers. I would suggest that any fox shot in the head at shotgun range with a .22 will not suffer at all, and as we all know, it is perfectly possible to find oneself close enough to kill them with a 12 bore.
Maybe the issue causing confusion here is that the police in some forces may not wish to grant permission to acquire a .17 for the specific purpose of shooting foxes, and hence may decline to grant it. Obviously, the centerfire .22 calibers are needed for long range fox shooting, though of course the police may decline to grant .22 centre fire for some locations.
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MH i will second that i have FAC airrifle and .22 rimmy and the rimmy is a hell of a lot quieter...
Me too - by a long way. I can take out a bunch of three or four rabbits sitting together, one after another, and I can do it from a lot further away.
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I have decided to apply for my firearms license, hopefully to get a .22lr. Just a few questions about the procedurre. I have already obtained a shotgun certificate so i know about having the firearms officer round etc. But what is different in getting a fireams certificate to getting a shotgun certificate? I know all about having to have the land checked out and that but what sort of questions is the firearms officer going to ask me? I have a general knowlegde of firearms but not an in depth understanding. is tyhere any sites you can recommend to help me gain more knowledge? Many thanks
Rob
What they want to know are five things -
1. Are you a knacker?
2. Do you need to have a .22lr?
3. Is the land you propose to use it on suitable?
4. Do you understand the risks of popping off at rabbits without thinking first, 'Where will this bullet end up?'
5. Do you have adequate security arrangements to keep the gun safe.
I take it that since they let you have a shotgun, points one and five are already covered, which only leaves your 'need' and safety issues to be discussed. If you have written permission to destroy vermin with the rifle you are requesting, then you can demonstrate that you have a need. If you have already been using a standard air rifle on the property that helps. I recently reapplied for my FAC after a twenty year gap and when the FLO lady asked about my shooting, it helped when I could tell her that last year I'd shot 160 rabbits on one hill farm with an air rifle, but that the population was getting away from me because I couldn't approach some parts to thirty yards without the rabbits getting news that I was there.
Assuming that they find the land suitable for the rifle you are requesting, they then need to be satisfied that you won't take shots that don't have a solid backstop, or a VERY long clear view of open ground (which you have permission over) without stock or houses in the way the bullet is headed. You already know how badly .22lr can ricochet - believe it - because it does it all the time. I'm shooting over some open hill land quite a bit of the time and .22lr will hit the deck and whizz off in surprising directions. Unless your shoot is like the backside of the moon like some of mine, you need to refrain from shooting and wait for a better possibility. Yesterday I went out and shot half a dozen with the .22lr, I passed up probably ten shots that I would have taken quite safely with my air rifle. Shots down hill into the valley? Uh - oh - where will it end up if it bounces on a bit of hard earth or a stone. I shot one through the head yesterday and having passed through, the bullet struck the deck and whinned off into the distance - a distance that I had already evaluated as safe. You probably want 30 degrees either side of your target as safe and clear before you pull the trigger because bouncing bullets don't always follow the original line of travel.
If you satisfy the FLO that you are well aware of the danger of richochet and safe backstop and that you really will control your enthusiasm and think about it when Mrs Tuffty Tail puts up her head, then he or she will probably think you're an OK sort to be trusted. It is worth pointing out maybe that you will obviously never shoot at anything in a tree with the aforesaid firearm, because obviously this lends itself to the bullet dropping God knows where. In the old days of my first FAC, .22lr ammo had a warning on the box - 'Dangerous at up to 1 mile'. Fired at some thing in the lower branches of a tree, it probably would be
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Yes it's a 425. Fingers tripping over one another.
Yes it was mounted right, nice and tight.
I put the Nikko Sterling one on and sighted that in.
What scopes do people recommend that aren't blisteringly expensive? I'm not about to raid my rainy day fund just to knack some rabbits. Even the Simmons worked once it was set up, its queer behaviour is just a tad annoying. I like things to work the way they're supposd to. If it says, 'One click = 1/4 inch at 100 metres', that's what I expect to happen.
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I recenty boughta CZ425 and being a cheap jack, I clagged an oldish Simmons Deerfield scope ontop of it. This scope hasn't been used too much since I got it, but when I zero the thing, I find that having got the vertical POI right, altering the horizontal left or right, the verical can go out of adjustment by quite a large margin. The other day, I changed four clicks to the left and the POI moved up an inch and a half over a 50 metre range.
Is this scope just a piece of junk, or is there some accepted method of adjusting that I don't know? Another cheap scope I have, a Nikko Sterling, does nothing like this at all. Once adjusted, the vertical and horizontal wires are completely independent of adjustment in the other.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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I hear on the radio this morning that the jobs worths who bought us Health and Safety are mounting a new campaign to get people to ignore the minutia of their legislation! They say (get this the cheeky boogers) that people should ‘get a life’ and stop putting an emphasis on the small detailed issues of health and safety.
What planet are these people on??? Was it, is it, not them who started this whole damn mess in the beginning and forced the ‘human’ element of the public to comply? Just another way of keeping themselves employed as usual. ****** they make my blood boil bunch of bloody space wasters.
I think it was mostly the jobsworths in local authorities and some in industry who interpretted the legal duty to take care of workers into a minefield of work stopping, initiative sapping ********. It's the same midset that has councils chopping down conker trees in parks in case some kid hurts himself climbing up for a conker. I'd like to see public whippings of these sort of small minded burocrats. Is this the spirit that made Britain 'great'? I don't thinks so.
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When my old gun cabinet was after many satisfactory years deemed unsuitable through changing regulations, I moved my shottie to a mates house who had a certificate and the required type of cabinet. It stayed there for ten years and everyone was happy, except I had some extra inconvenience in arranging to collect and return it.
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Evilv
Ahhhhh the old pin in a bic pen blowpipe.
Got me expelled
SS
That's the one - pick some fluff off yer woolie jumper, roll it around the head of a dressmaking pin, place in empty bic biro tube, aim and blow hard. Think of it as a proto air rifle without the rifling.
LOL
They used to stick in doors. We didn't get expelled for it, even though we used to stick them in people's heads and faces. The teacher would just give us a clout or a few strokes of the taws. If you got expelled you either put someone's eye out or you were brought up in later more PC times - LOL
Nowadays people would call in an armed response unit for such a thing.
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Born before 1970?
Old fuddy duddy
I can still remember doing nearly 99% of that lot and i was born at the beginning of 1971
we never had a TV till i was about 13 and the first video recorders had chunky buttons not the touch buttons they have now.
My first computer was a Atari Classic.
I remember walking 2 miles as a Kid to go throw stones in the river with friends and making tree houses without getting into trouble with the police and the council never tore them down either.
LG
TV? - - Ha ha ha ha - we had a wireless with valves in that glowed and took time to warm up. It smelled of hot dust and was like a magic box to me. I played in bombed out houses after the war - I mean WW2, but we just called it the war. I remember the first time I saw television, there was one in our street. I had great time making guns out of a clothes peg, a hair grip, and the thick rubber band off a returnable pop bottle. You could fire a matchstick about twenty feet if you did it right, and they were deadly. We fired darts made of pins out of blowpipes and shot at each other with 'Gat' airguns when we could get our hands on them. We made throwing sticks for flinging arrows up and down the field. If you were good, you could throw them about seventy yards and they stuck in the ground. Nobody sued each other and nobody had ever heard of health and safety. It was your responsibility to look after yourself and if someone got hurt a bit, you said sorry and it was enough.
I remember me and my friends practically living on push bikes and never hearing of anyone falling off and seriously hurting themselves. Now its deemed too dangerouse to ride without one of those ridiculous looking crash helmets and that its certain death not to wear one. We thought we were lucky if we had brakes.born 1970
Leeboy
Yeah - I remember that brakes thing. I used to slow down by putting my shoe on the wheel, or by jumping off.
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Evilv,
If you want to learn how to skin rabbits quickly have a look at this thread.Might give you an idea or 2.
Tiercel
Hey thanks Tiercel. It was useful, I never thought of cutting the skin at the back. I have some to do today so I'll try that. Usually, I work my fingers between the skin and the belly flesh where I opened the rabbit for paunching. It's easy enough to seperate them there, on a 'youngun' at least. Some of the bigger rabbits have really tough skins. I always give them away for that reason and make my pies out of a bunch of young ones.
Pieman's idea about game dealers is a good one. A Yellow pages job I think.
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No a very professional attitude. I was hoping this would be resolved in a more sensible way but obviously beasley is going down the childish route as I expected when someone has a dig and criticises there outfit
I have heard some very good reports from people who have used this outfit an I was going to use this winter at the least
Its a pity people have to lower themselves to the playground approach to get the point over
Jonno
Aw man come of it. They've been slagged off by a disgruntled novice who can't even remember his phone. What's childish about Beasely's response? He's put his side in one post (against several from the other quarter) and told him not to bother coming back. Fair comment, I'd say. There are two sides to this and I know which I'm more persuaded by. If Dr Spin isn't happy, he should put it down to experience and make other arrangements for his future pigeon shooting. I don't know how many thousand hours I've spent hiding in ditches waiting in vain for a sight of something to shoot at. It's half of what the sport is about, I'd say, and half of that was brought on by my own inability to sit still and keep my head down. Now, like Grasshopper, I've learned some patience and a little bit of Zen.
Hey ho - it's stopped raining and I'm off out for the rest of the day with the rifle.
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When aproaching the farmer, what should you say to him? etc etc and any other help with gaining permision? my house over looks about 300 acres, no body shoots on it, and i regularly see huge flocks of pigeons and crows. So any help on gaining permission would be very helpful !!
Thanks Young Shot
Do you know the guy? Getting permision is 95% about the farmer trusting that he can let you lose on his property, armed and potentially dangerous, without any risk. It's quite hard to create that confidence. If you can get to know him (since you live right there on his doorstep) that would be the best introduction. One place I go have a few local lads who help out on the farm. They keep stock so they have loads of not very skilled jobs to do, which might not fit with your situation. All those lads turn up with airguns whenever they like.
If you don't know him and you still want to ask him straight up, then find out his name by asking around and approach him along the lines of -
'Hello Mr ...... My name is ...... and I live just alongside one of your fields, at ..... and the thing is I've noticed quite a lot of pigeons flapping all over it and I think they may be damaging your crop. If you like, I could shoot them for you with my ......... I know you don't know me, but I am a very respectable and tustworthy lad and I'll take great care not to be any trouble to you if you do decide to let me shoot them.'
If you look genuine and pleasant (a few smiles in the right place usually put people at ease) then you might stand a good chance.
Best of luck. It can be a tough job.
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Chuckle chuckle.
This is almost as much fun as shooting. LOL.
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That was a bizzare video...
What would anyone need a gun like that for?
As for recoil, I once hired a reproduction post American Civil War trapdoor Springfield chambered for the .45/70 cartridge. It was a very lightweight carbine, maybe about six pounds. First I used a few black powder reloads that were nice and light, about 50 gains of ffg b powder, and then I bought a box of 25 .45/70 nitro factory loads..... What HORRIBLE experience with such a lightweight rifle. I fired six and had a headache for two days. It was like getting punched in the face. I gave free shots to other people and none would fire mor than two or three, even the headbangers.
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TX sold to Trigger Happy.
Hope you enjoy it mate. Thanks and nice to meet and deal with you.
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You're a wise man to ask mate. I was like you last summer, a shotgun man of 30 years and I used to have an open certificate for .22WMR and .22LR, but I'd let that go because when my kids were little, I had too many committments and too much work on. So, last summer, faced with shoots that were running with conies, I realised the half hour waits after one blast from my 12 gauge cannon were a bit counter productive. I went to the local gunshop and was offered a PCP rifle and pump for £500 - I laughed that one off and after a bit of research, I bought a second hand TX200 which was surprisingly effective.
In one season, I shot more rabbits than I had in five with the shottie. I also got so into this that I bought a second hand WEbley Axsor PCP with a second hand pump for £380. This is a lovely rifle and is phenomenally accurate. In the right conditions I can shoot a three shot cloverleaf with every hole touching at 42 yards. This is really deadly, because every shot hits the right spot.
I'm sure you will get all kinds of recommendations, but they will likely boil down to the idea that PCP is easiest to shoot well and has some real quality offerings. Spring rifles are cheaper - much cheaper usually, but a second hand Air Arms TX200 or a weirauch (sp) are very good.
Spring rifles are harder to shoot with supreme accuracy because the spring moves before the pellet leaves the gun, but a lot of chaps shoot vey well with them. A good trigger is really important that's why I think you're better off with a second hand example of the more expensive rifles, than a cheap new one.
To get anywhere with a legal limit air rifle, you must be able to hit the bunny right on the head every time between the ear and the eye or he'll somersault and run away to suffer. This means you must restrict yourself to 35 yards, but I expect you knew that.
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nice pictures m8, i will try it some time.
Interesting stuff. They aren't very common yet up here at around 55 degrees north, though I saw one in a park a few weeks ago. We still have some reds around here and there is good reason to stop the greys getting a hold, though I suspect it is a lost cause because they're wily little bu**ers.
I used to do black powder shooting years ago and in American books about it they had .32 caliber muzzle loading squirrel rifles that were copies of old Pensylvania rifles from the eighteenth and nineteenth century. I always fancied shooting them with a muzzle loaded pill of lead, wrapped up in a cloth patch. Great fun muzzle loaders - a real ritual, a bit like smoking a pipe in comparison to lighting an Embassy or something. I did hunt with a muzzle loader for a while years ago, but the .45 cal balls used to mess up the rabbits big time if I ever hit them. The excitement of loading the damned thing when you could see your quarry used to turn my guts right over, then take aim, BANG - cloud of smoke and usually it had run away. The thing was a .45 cal smooth bore so I had it as a shot gun. I understand it used to be ok to fire one ball out of them then. Don't know about now, but it was damned inaccurate. Eventually I used it as a shotgun with half an ounce of lead, but it wasn't a lot of use even then. A bit like a .410, only slightly bigger and a lot more time taken to reload it.
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Go to your local zoo/wildlife park. They take them unpaunched and pay you.
Good luck.
LB
Grea idea. Who did you see. I don't suppose its much use to turn up at the entry kiosk with a sack of dead rabbits.
How much did they pay you?
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Oh - forget it. I just looked up the only lion park I know of around here and discovered that it closed in the 1970s.
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It's true. Think about how you feel when these people phone up trying to sell something. The only way to get shooting is to either turn up when the guy is desperate for someone to shoot a swarm of pests that are troubling him, or to be able to quickly establish a relationship. He has to like you - why else will he let you loose around his property and his stock with a firearm. You are a stranger - so you need to make him trust you. I can't tell you how to do that, smiling, honest, straightforward manner will probabbly be a good start. You have to sell yourself without coming across as over familiar and pushy. Above all, he has to think you won't shoot up his fence posts, poach game or worse, shoot like a cowboy and endanger the stock or his kids.
Oh my god
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I don't want to be rude Mimic, but that's a very foolish idea. Has the control of firearms reduced gun crime at all? Has the removal of ALL pistols from certificate holders in 1997 done anything to reduce gun crime committed with pistols? We already have almost the severest control of firearms anywhere on the planet, but gun crime is running away. The reason is that it is virtually impossible to get caught bringing in an eastern european firearm in the boot of your car, or a box of automatic pistols, come to that. Since our glorious rulers leave ports virtually open to anyone in the world to walk in or ride in the back of a truck, what's the point of banning joe public from buying an 11 ft pound pop gun? None at all, I'd suggest.
Of course, rather than deal with the swarms of illegal immigrants and the parlous state of our border security, the New Labour spin machine, devoted vast amounts of parliamentary time to banning fox hunting and other desperately dangerous country activities liable to bring chaos and mayhem to our nation. Who could deny that stopping a few toffs from chasing foxes and banning hare coursing was much more vital than stopping Abu Hamza from promoting treason and terrorism on our streets in full public view.
I'm sure Tony will be delighted to have your support in a new initiative to make him and his useless prolls of politicians look as if they are protecting us from harm. Well done - NOT!
The answer to yobbos misusing airguns is to hammer the **** out of them when they get caught. It is not to make ordinary people jump through hoops like we have to just to own a puny rimfire rifle to shoot on our own or a friend's land. Free country? Not if the likes of you get your way.