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  1. I fully expect Russia to throttle / cut off gas supply to Europe as a result of the conflict - it’s their best card. Nordstream 1 has now been shut down completely - Russia cite seemingly never ending maintenance and everyone else connected to the pipe and it’s maintenance citing Russian BS. You believe who you want to believe, right?
  2. “Are there still people who don't understand or refuse to accept that Russia is a mafia state.” Oh there’s plenty of Putin lovers and apologists out there - indeed, where is Stonepark? He should have some insight on this and be ready with an excuse, a reason or a pro Russian rationalisation 😁 The list of Salisbury poisoning deniers is also an interesting insight into who believes what…. but we’ve covered that and people have offered their odd and varying views on that already…. along with the Nordstream maintenance cycle which remains entirely normal, just like every year, apparently 😉😆😆 😆
  3. Ravil Maganov, head of Lukoil, a truly massive Russian energy company, died after falling out of a window today. This is lucky, the last two but one committed suicide after murdering their wife and daughter (that's two wives and daughters between them). The last one? Some people came round to help him commit suicide while his brother was in the bathroom. Strangely, after initially telling his story, the brother went silent. Are there still people who don't understand or refuse to accept that Russia is a mafia state.
  4. Interesting piece in the Telegraph. Some won’t like it because it suggests that the latest phase of Nordstream maintenance isn’t maintenance but the deliberate throttling of European energy supply (covered earlier on in this lengthy thread) and that Mr Putin is a genocidal neighbour invading tyrant etc. Putin’s stooges almost succeeded in persuading Scholz to defy his Nato allies. He dithered until the eve of February’s invasion before shelving Nord Stream 2. Now, after six months of Europe’s worst war since 1945, some German politicians are once again calling for the pipeline to be opened “so that people do not have to freeze in winter and our industry does not suffer serious damage”, as Wolfgang Kubicki, Vice-President of the German Parliament, puts it. Meanwhile Ms Schwesig has just been re-elected as leader of the Social Democrats in her state by a large majority. Schröder has yet to be expelled from the party, let alone sanctioned. Germany’s Achilles’ heel This is the measure of Germany’s abject reliance, not only on Russian energy, but on the Russian state. For Putin, gas and oil were only ever a means to an end. He has always wanted to reduce the Germans — towards whom Russians have traditionally had an inferiority complex — to a status of servility. Stalin only succeeded in dividing Germany. Putin seeks to turn the entire Federal Republic into his client state — and thereby impose his will upon Europe. With the unerring eye of the predator, Putin grasped that energy was Germany’s Achilles’ heel. A single plant of a single corporation, the headquarters of the chemical and pharmaceutical giant BASF at Ludwigshafen, uses as much energy as Denmark. Over the last 25 years, Germany’s craving for cheap energy led it into an unequal relationship with Russia — what the philosopher Hegel called “the dialectic of master and slave”. Putin saw that some German politicians could be bought (Schröder), others bamboozled (Merkel), and still others bullied (Scholz). Other EU countries followed the German example by relying heavily on Moscow for energy, influenced by the evasion and ambivalence that has characterised Berlin’s policy for decades. Germany, whose economy is substantially larger than Britain’s, has given just £1 billion in military aid to Ukraine compared to the UK’s £3.5 billion. The United States has given ten times as much as the EU. Yet Ukraine is a European country under genocidal attack. The reluctance to provoke Putin that still prevails in wide circles of the Federal Republic is rooted in exaggerated notions of Russian military power, economic importance and cultural pre-eminence. German fatalism about Russia’s ability to absorb casualties and yet win ultimate victory reflects folk memories of the Eastern Front. But Putin, unlike Stalin, does not have a vast conscript army at his disposal, he does not enjoy technical superiority and he cannot afford the war of attrition that he has unleashed. Nor are the Russian people united against an invading force in defence of their homeland. Only in Berlin do they think this is another Stalingrad. This historical myopia has much to do with the long-standing German habit of subsuming the other nations that made up the Soviet Union into Russia. To this day most Germans have no awareness of the fact that the Nazis killed millions of Ukrainian civilians and devastated their country. Ironically, many artists, writers and musicians who have fled Ukraine have found refuge in Germany. One example is the composer Valentin Silvestrov, who fled to Berlin aged 84 with one suitcase, full of his manuscripts. Once there, he discovered that Ukrainian music was unknown in Germany. Now that Silvestrov’s works are being performed, including at the Proms in London, the Germans are slowly waking up to the presence of a greater living composer than any of their own. Many ordinary Germans, like the British, instinctively warm to the Ukrainian cause. The difference is in leadership – or lack of it. Chancellor Olaf Scholz, unlike Boris Johnson or Liz Truss, has shown only lukewarm support for Kyiv and has been implicitly rebuked by President Zelensky. Hamburger grilled Although there is no suggestion that Scholz has been bribed to go easy on Russia, he himself has become embroiled in a corruption scandal. He is accused of helping M.M. Warburg & Co, Germany’s oldest and largest private bank, to avoid a €47 million fine in 2016, during his time as Finance Minister in the Merkel coalition. The Hamburg-based bank is alleged to have made up to €300 million in a capital gains tax scam which came to light while Scholz was also mayor of the city state. Just as he finds himself facing an unexpectedly grim present and a positively terrifying future, his provincial past has returned to haunt him. Last week the Chancellor was grilled by a committee of inquiry in Hamburg. The normally meticulous Scholz claimed not to remember any details about his meetings with Warburg’s former chief, Christian Olearius, who has now been charged with tax evasion. Germany’s safe pair of hands, whom millions had entrusted with the nation’s finances, is now accused of being cosy with tax-dodging bankers and being an unimpressive, even unreliable, witness. In other ways, too, Scholz is failing to live up to the moral example set by the two great Social Democratic Chancellors of post-war Germany, Willy Brandt and Helmut Schmidt. At a joint press conference with Mahmoud Abbas in Berlin earlier this month, Scholz remained tight-lipped while the Palestinian leader delivered an anti-Semitic tirade, accusing Israel of committing “many Holocausts” against his people. Schmidt, who concealed the fact he had a Jewish grandfather from the Nazis but as Chancellor was an outspoken philosemite, would not have been impressed by his fellow Hamburger Scholz. Nor would Brandt, who famously fell to his knees at the memorial to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Not for decades has anti-Semitism been such a threat in Germany: in July, Berlin’s Holocaust Memorial was desecrated with swastikas. Now, as Putin’s myrmidons massacre and deport Ukrainians near the site of Nazi genocide, while a quarter of the Russian Jewish population has emigrated in anticipation of pogroms, Germany needs a leader who is not afraid to denounce anti-Semitism even at the cost of diplomatic niceties. After less than a year in office, Scholz’s personal ratings are plumbing depths never seen during Mrs Merkel’s 16 years at the helm. As Germans brace themselves for unprecedented hardships in peacetime, they are led by a weak and indecisive Chancellor at the head of a fragile three-party coalition. Post-heroic, post-patriotic Wednesday’s visit to Kyiv by Boris Johnson – his third – to mark Ukraine’s Independence Day was hugely appreciated not only by Volodymyr Zelensky but by all Ukrainians. Yet it was a gesture of solidarity that did not occur – could not have occurred – to Olaf Scholz. The German Chancellor’s only visit to the Ukrainian capital last June, accompanied by Emmanuel Macron and Mario Draghi, was an awkward, chilly affair that yielded little more than promises. This week, Scholz posted a short video message, concluding: “Our hearts are with you.” Ulrich Speck, a German foreign policy analyst, commented: “Hearts, yes. But not weapons.” Johnson, by contrast, knows he is among friends in Kyiv – a friendship symbolised by Zelensky awarding him Ukraine’s highest honour, the Order of Liberty. It is impossible to imagine the lugubrious German Chancellor finding the Prime Minister’s pithy words: “While people [in the West] are paying energy bills, people in Ukraine are paying with blood.” Nor would Scholz echo him in declaring: “I believe Ukraine can and will win this war.” For his part, Zelensky told his people that they had been “reborn” in the heat of war. “We used to say: ‘Peace’. Now we say: ‘Victory’,” he declared. Highly educated Germans find it hard to empathise with such Churchillian sentiments. Jürgen Habermas, the eminence grise of German intellectuals, makes condescending comments about Ukraine as a primitive place, still captive to the nationalist illusions of the last century, unlike more sophisticated, “post-heroic” Germany. It doesn’t occur to the 93-year-old philosopher that without the heroism of its soldiers and civilians, Ukraine would by now have ceased to exist. Prussian military prowess has long since given way to post-patriotic pusillanimity. Where Merkel and Scholz feared to tread and even Biden was hesitant, Johnson was the first to commit himself wholeheartedly to the cause and to visit war-torn Kyiv. Many other nations – the Poles, the Baltic states, the Scandinavians and the Canadians among them – have been more supportive than the Germans, who owe Ukrainians the greatest moral debt. Berlin boasts of handing out a handful of howitzers while dithering over clapped-out armoured vehicles. Meanwhile British arms and training, Turkish drones and American rocket artillery systems have proved decisive on the battlefield. Sold down the Dnieper Although the Scholz coalition officially sides with Ukraine, the unpalatable fact remains that Germany and its EU partners are financing Russian aggression by paying vast sums for Russian gas. Will they stand up to Putin in Germany when the enormity of the ordeal ahead becomes clear to everybody? Will public opinion continue to back even the present feeble commitment, or will the voices calling for peace at the expense of Ukrainians prevail? It is all too believable that at some point, probably early next year when gas storage facilities are empty, Berlin – and Brussels – will open negotiations with the Kremlin, regardless of Kyiv’s wishes. Yet it is then that the ghosts of the past may rise up to intervene in the present. The thought of Germans and Russians redrawing the map of Eastern Europe at the conference table sends shivers down the spines of every Pole, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian and, of course, Ukrainian. On August 23, 1940, exactly 82 years ago this week, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed, carving up Poland (which then included Lviv and other parts of present-day Ukraine) and the Baltic states between Russia and Germany. No German Chancellor wishes to be reminded of that precedent. However, nor can Scholz risk presiding over an even deeper and more lasting recession than that caused by the Covid pandemic. Somehow he must steer a course between the Scylla of appeasing Putin and the Charybdis of economic ruin. The tension between these positions is reflected in the tripartite coalition. Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock and the Greens are the hawks, Finance Minister Christian Lindner and his pro-business Free Democrats are the doves, while the Social Democrats are deeply divided. The party leadership leans towards Moscow, the rank and file towards Kyiv. This explains why Scholz never says that he wants Ukraine to win the war, merely that they must not lose it. The opposition Christian Democrats are only slightly more united. They too have a large wing that privately favours a negotiated peace, represented by their pro-business leader Friedrich Merz, and a smaller but not insignificant group led by the foreign affairs expert Norbert Röntgen, who hope for a Ukrainian victory. Merz has papered over the cracks by focusing on a campaign to reverse his predecessor Mrs Merkel’s exit from nuclear energy. Meanwhile, the “understanding Putin” lobby has the support of both the hard Left Die Linke and anti-immigration AfD parties. German public opinion has slowly tiptoed away from its initial admiration for Ukrainian resistance and towards a compromise peace. That subtle shift could soon become an overwhelming tide, once Germans are required to make real sacrifices. Vladimir Putin, we may be sure, is counting on it. From October, Scholz will impose a gas levy on consumers to compensate energy companies for the cost of replacing Russian gas supplies. Germany’s biggest energy company, Uniper, was bailed out in July to the tune of £12.5 billion; it is now claiming another £18.5 billion of levies. This policy is bound to be unpopular, since it redistributes tens of billions from the poor to the rich — curious thinking for a government of the Left. But this is nothing compared to the prospect of protests sparked by a national shutdown caused, not by a deadly virus, but by Putin’s energy politics. A change in the air? Modern Germany has a volatile history of popular protest. It began with the revolution that toppled the Kaiser in 1918. The Nazis mobilised the masses to carry out their “national revolution” in 1933. A workers’ uprising in East Germany was crushed by Soviet tanks in 1953. Student protests brought about a cultural revolution in 1968. Uniquely bloodless and benign was the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. This was Germany’s finest hour. The defiance that breached the Wall and sent the Soviet army home was a blessing, but the despair that Putin’s revenge may induce this winter will surely be a curse. Gas has given the Russian dictator coercive control over the German political class, which willingly acquiesced in its fate. In Kyiv, Boris Johnson said: “I can tell you that we in the UK will not for one second give in to Putin’s blackmail.” Olaf Scholz is incapable of speaking like this — because he does not believe it. He has failed to frame the coming ordeal as a battle in which Germans must make sacrifices for their own liberty, not just Ukraine’s. People don’t mind his lack of charisma; they do mind facing a nightmarish winter with spineless hypocrisy at the helm. Will it become so obvious by next spring that Scholz is unequal to the task that either he or his coalition are replaced? Can the centre of German politics hold — or are we about to see a terrible revolt of the masses against a discredited political establishment? It has happened before. It can happen again. Daniel Johnson was the Telegraph’s correspondent in Germany and Eastern Europe in the late 1980s. He is now the editor of TheArticle.
  5. Anyone see the Top Gear / Grand Tour episode where they went to Detroit? In its heyday it was the most expensive town to live in on the planet because of the prosperity the motoring industry brought to the area. Scroll on to now and it’s a basket case - gone, done and over. Now, think of the Mongols, the Egyptians, the Romans, the Greeks and even the Spanish at their peak with plundered South American gold. All nothing and nowhere countries and economies. Our hey day was under the British Empire and the Commonwealth and it’s been down hill ever since. And we have done it to ourselves - it happens - once basic needs are met it’s then all down hill. I reckon for my life time, things will never be as good as say 2015. Do I see things getting back to as good as they were in 2015 - no, not in my lifetime.
  6. If you wish to out of hand dismiss everything and anything that is critical of Russia or potentially damaging to Russia, then that’s your belief and bias. As an aside, the sequential passport numbering story is just warming up. You will of course disagree. And Schroeder’s links to Putin are no secret (I never said they were) but as a hundred million Germans scratch their head about the mad energy dependency their country now has on Russia, people ask more questions…
  7. It’s fascinating what’s coming out - Aaron Banks’ wife, anti fracking groups sponsored by Russia, Gerhard Schröder being one of Putin’s besties and sitting on the main board of all the key state owned Russian energy companies. The conflicts of interest are legion.
  8. The Germans were polled yesterday and 60% were in favour of continued sanctions against Russia and support of the Ukraine. Turns out the German people are appalled at what’s going on and perhaps because of their history. Also there’s a growing realisation they have been set up - their former chancellor is 100% a Russian stooge.
  9. If you can go back and reference 20 years ago, why not 70? Serious question.
  10. Your favourite expression is ‘but how can you know’, well back at you. As for suggesting Russia giving any country independence, your definition of independence differs from mine and that of the average dictionary.
  11. Us who? I never voted for Blair or Bush. Blair should still be prosecuted for war crimes - I’d vote for that. But when does a wrong make a right? And when it’s a whole generation / 20 years ago. Mind you, go back a bit further and you can have a go at justifying why it was perfectly reasonable for Hitler to roll into Poland on one of his numerous special military operations 😆
  12. It all started with an invasion. ‘Invasion : an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.’ If you believe that Putin’s invasion of Ukraine can be justified and given all the woe that has followed and all the alternative options available, then the sky is the limit for what can be explained away, rationalised or otherwise deemed to be acceptable. I happen to think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine (and all that has followed) cannot be justified on any rational basis and as such is and remains unacceptable. Others may wish to disagree but I have yet to see a cogent argument as to how the Russian invasion of Ukraine was an acceptable course of action / the only course of action available to Russia. Other courses of action are and remain available. There we go.
  13. Yeah and then there’s still the small ‘Russian invasion’ thing that helps put it all into context. Mind you, if you think that Russia ‘had’ to invade to sort out a security threat or hunt down Nazis or ‘NATO whatever’ then you are lost down the rabbit hole of the mentally challenged. All the ‘just adding balance’ nonsense consistently and conveniently skips over the ‘unnecessary invasion by Russia into a neighbour bit’ (and where all the political and discussion routes which some will tell us Ukraine should be pursuing harder now were completely and wholesale ignored by Russia) and which is how we got to where we are now. Indeed, if rolling tanks and 250,000 troops over a border isn’t something the ‘bad boy’ does then I don’t know what is 😆 Well, with you and Stonepark bigging up the invading murdering Ruskies (and collecting Kremlin points for your Dacha) and a couple of us on the other side backing Ukraine and those being murdered and invaded by the Ruskies, we get a balanced view.
  14. As above. But Stonepark is still straight up bonkers
  15. And more of the Russian kit fails, fails to be re-supplied because of sanctions and so on. So much of the maintenance budget gets stolen in corruption, makes you wonder what works? Cannon fodder from the far reaches and inaccurate artillery apparently. I’d love to know the running cost is so far - warships, planes, tanks, expensive missiles etc.
  16. No point discussing anything Russian with Rewulf - Russia does it better, bigger, faster, harder than anywhere else of course 😆 Those Dachas don’t come with swimming pools off plan. Yes the Russians have a lot of nukes, so does NATO. Whilst I hope to never see the day, I wonder what their effective capabilities are - their little foray into the mud that is Ukraine, has without a doubt shown they’re not exactly a shining example of a well thought out and well maintained military machine 😆
  17. Well, unlike Rewulf that chap actually denounced Putin 😆 No Dacha for him. If only he could cast a vote in a free and fair election - maybe Putin wouldn’t have got in the last time or the time before that (etc) and we wouldn’t be on this thread…
  18. There you go again with your balanced critique of how all the Russians live free and it is we in the west are held captive and fed untrue propaganda 24/7. The thing is, we do get to have elections and even had a vote on leaving Europe which the political elite rather wished we hadn’t. Indeed we can be rude and critical of our rulers without fear of Chepiga and Mishkin doing one of their infamous murder suicide numbers or our being sent without a fair trial to a Labour camp for a decade. I do love your version of balance - you must be adding extra floors and a pool to your Dacha 😆 Incidentally, before covid I visited cyprus and saw lots of spray murals of Putin on the pavements at the street corners. According to the Russians we spoke to, that was Putin / the FSB letting all the Russians who were temporarily out of the country on business or on holiday know that Ol Vlad was still watching them. I didn’t see a mural of Boris or Theresa May out there 😆
  19. You miss the point. I support Ukraine pretty much unquestioningly because there is no ‘balance’ to a Russian invasion or questioning of the Ukrainians as to how they have had to deal with being invaded. 100% unnecessary, 100% Russian land grabbing aggression and 100% Russian choice. Indeed, the Ukrainians have been left to deal with a totalitarian aggressor and can’t be criticised in how they have to do that. Russian forces and resources out number Ukrainian many fold but it’s not gone Putin’s way on any analysis. Indeed it will go down in history as the Russian version of Vietnam. What cheers me up is how wrong the pro Putin camp armchair experts have been and long may it continue. Ah but don’t forget he’s a master tactician 😆 and it’s landed in the Yank’s laps- they probably can’t believe their luck. .
  20. Russian special forces tried to specifically kill Zelensky early on - oh hang on, don't tell me that was Ukrainian false news. As for pointing out how horrible the Ukrainians are and that they are Nazis and all the rest (whilst remaining silent as to the failings of the Russians): 1. Ukraine was invaded. 2. Ukraine neither wanted to be invaded nor become 100% Russian 3. Russia did not "need" to send 250,000 troops over the border 4. "Wagner Group" As for the torture right here and now, the Russian conscript phone intercepts are all you need to know about to make your mind up - oh hang on, don't tell me that was Ukrainian false news. And it's all the worse because of course Russia were / are the aggressing force who needlessly invaded a neighbor when they didn't have to. Indeed, all the calls for diplomacy and talks don't apply to Russia or weren't a step Russia needed to consider right up to the point of invading a neighbour? In all these pages i still don't think I've seen you or Stonepark say anything significantly critical of Putin - no doubt you will now find something to say which is critical and cutting to the Russian core like Putin tries too hard, is bad at delegating and doesn't like Monday mornings 🙂 May be you and Stonepark will get to share a nice Dacha when this is all over 🙂 .
  21. 1. You should try questioning some of the Russian propaganda and decisions in this. 2. He is mad or at best poorly advised / informed. It’s a consequence of his isolation and love of Peter the Great. The fact that you cant conceive either of these as possibilities (or indeed that the invasion of the Ukraine by Russia as not one of the best ideas or plans yet) belies your partisan status - your choice but for all your crowing about how we need to open our eye to all that is wrong with Ukraine and Zelensky you don’t, can’t or won’t for Russia or Putin. 3. For someone who says he’s anti BS you willing accept Russian BS in all its forms. 4. I wasn’t using an old event as comparison. I am making the point that some actions can’t be justified, explained or provided with any balance or mitigation.
  22. The problem with your version of balance is that it’s questionable and further questionable that it can exist under all the circumstances of an invasion based on a madman’s land grab - I think those nato, nazi, threat to mother russia boats have all long sailed. The tenor of all your posts is anti West / Ukraine, and with no criticism of the madman Putin - where’s the balance to your balance? You say you are impartial but no one here believes you 😀 Why don’t you have a stab a finding something that russia has done wrong in all of this to critique? Some things don’t need and can’t attract ‘balance’; you got any balance to offer on Hitler murdering 6 million Jews or the 9 million Stalin whacked, for example?
  23. Why would Ukraine nuke the Ukraine? Stolen from elsewhere: “I simply cannot believe what Mordor is doing with the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. First they stuff it full of vehicles and weapons, including the turbine halls. Well, assuming you are a bunch of genocidal savages, that's quite smart, because nobody is going to shell a nuclear power plant. Then they shell a nuclear power plant. Only the Russian orcs, eh? The logic, apparently, is to blame it on UKR, and you won't actually blow it up, it's meant to survive a missile strike, you shouldn't release any radiation provided you are careful not to hit anywhere where waste nuclear materials are stored. Then they hit the place where waste nuclear materials are stored. Still, it's not THAT much radiation they will release, it's not going to be Chernobyl. It's not like they've mined it to blow up. Now they've mined it to blow up. And, ominously, given everyone the day off. While insisting furiously that Ukraine is doing the shelling and that it’s Ukraine that plans to blow the place up. I mean, what are they DOING? They might be able to convince many of the world's dingbats and loonies it is Ukraine's fault if it blows, but is that compensation? The winds are unpredictable this time of year and it isn't that far from the Russian border. Is Sauron seriously ready to irradiate his own people and blame it on Ukraine so he has an excuse for pulling out, or, worse, ending the story with nukes? You would not think he'd dare, or be that crazy, but no one thought he'd dare, or be crazy enough, to blow up 300 of his own citizens as an excuse to attack Chechnya. Almost no one thought he'd dare, or be crazy enough, to start a genocidal war of conquest with Ukraine.”
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