Shuck. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) I'd made sure i had a few copies of the shooting times under the coffee table,just on show.. That's what I did lol .. He didn't want to sit over there though Also turned down my Hobnobs.. got em specially from the advise given on THIS forum Got the cert tho Congrats anyway mate! Edited September 29, 2009 by Shuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Now just don't do anything stupid, like buying a semi auto .22LR. Get a bolt action for your first gun. You'll not regret it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Now just don't do anything stupid, like buying a semi auto .22LR. Get a bolt action for your first gun. You'll not regret it What's wrong with semis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 What's wrong with semis? ??? They're awful first rifles. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I could go back on my first purchase, I'd have got a bolt action. Nothing but trouble with semi autos. Not what you want. Plus they're not as accurate as bolt actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGadger Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I agree, a bolt action teaches you familiarity with firearms a step at a time. Learn to use the safety at all times. Be safe. If you're after bunnies, a bolt action tends to be stealthier (with a sound moderator) and more accurate in any case. (retreats back to bunker) FG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 If you're after bunnies, a bolt action tends to be stealthier (with a sound moderator) and more accurate in any case. They're far far far quieter too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendersons Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 thanks think i'm going for a cz with a synthetic stock was having a look at them this afternoon.Definately bolt action for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider72 Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Hi Nick, Congrats on the FEO visit. Was it Wilts or Glos that visited? If it was Peter (from Wilts) he's a good bloke and down to earth. The Cz's a good rifle for the money, what scope/moderator are you going for? By the way thanks a lot for the fly tying stuff, I've already started trying some new patterns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Wise choice with the CZ. I would however go with a wooden stock, as you'd be surprised how fun it can be to revarnish and look after the gun. Synthetic can look really cheap and nasty (I say this, as one of my CZs is synthetic and the other is wood) (And i have tried to buy a new stock for the synthetic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Could you tell the difference in accuracy at 200yrds? (.22lr). Good point on saftey aspect.. you just don't think of things like that until you experience it first hand.. You both seem to have different reasons though, Hartford are they really unreliable? Like Hatsan Escort unreliable? Now I think about it all of the .22lr semi autos I've seen in action have jammed at least once while I was watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Nice choice I love the CZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendersons Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 It was a Wilts feo alan sharpe very nice man. I was thinking of buying the rifle with the synthetic stock because the rfd i'm buying it from said that it stood up better to the rigours of using out hunting and to be honest I'm quite clumsy with stocks on barbed wire think it's because i'm quite a short chap. Not sure which mod i'm going to get Wilf said he would sort out something good for me. I have a simmons pro hunter scope i'm planning on putting on it. I've had it knocking about for a while was going to put it on a air rifle that i ended up selling before i got round to putting it on (do you all think this would be ok?) Glad to hear the fly tying stuff is getting some use nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Could you tell the difference in accuracy at 200yrds? (.22lr). You both seem to have different reasons though, Hartford are they really unreliable? Like Hatsan Escort unreliable? Now I think about it all of the .22lr semi autos I've seen in action have jammed at least once while I was watching. 200 yards? You must be joking... I'd be concerned about the accuracy at 25 yards. Yes, they are unreliable. Anything with moving parts is at risk of breaking or jamming. How many times do you have to clean your semi auto? Because I've not once cleaned the action on my bolt action rifles and they've never jammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider72 Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 As you know Wilf is a sound guy and knows his stuff. I have a Parker Hale Moderator (cheap at £20 ish) on my BSA and that is pretty much silent, you hear the bullet strike and that's about it, I'm sure He'll see you right. Are you buying the rifle from him too? I've looked at the cz's in the Sportsman in Exeter and they are a good rifle, well made and functional, I'm afraid our purchase went slightly higher on the price bracket and went for the Wierauch in .17 calibre (my sister not me) Good luck mate, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendersons Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yes the rifle is going to be from Wilfs shop had a bit of a look earlier.Just need too save about another £150 and then i'm sorted nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 It was a Wilts feo alan sharpe very nice man.I was thinking of buying the rifle with the synthetic stock because the rfd i'm buying it from said that it stood up better to the rigours of using out hunting and to be honest I'm quite clumsy with stocks on barbed wire think it's because i'm quite a short chap. Not sure which mod i'm going to get Wilf said he would sort out something good for me. I have a simmons pro hunter scope i'm planning on putting on it. I've had it knocking about for a while was going to put it on a air rifle that i ended up selling before i got round to putting it on (do you all think this would be ok?) Glad to hear the fly tying stuff is getting some use nick Sounds like you'll be baggin em in no time What did you have planned are you going to be lamping? 200 yards? You must be joking... I'd be concerned about the accuracy at 25 yards. Yes, they are unreliable. Anything with moving parts is at risk of breaking or jamming. How many times do you have to clean your semi auto? Because I've not once cleaned the action on my bolt action rifles and they've never jammed. I don't have an FAC yet, I'm trying to get shooting rights to some land first with the shotgun and then hope to apply for .22! ..If you must ask I clean the semi shotgun every time I use it.. every bl**** bit of it spend ages on the gas ports too and it still never works properly I used to rate the make but it's honestly a piece of **** ***** I wish I never bought it. ..and YES its a HATSAN ESCORT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I don't have an FAC yet, I'm trying to get shooting rights to some land first with the shotgun and then hope to apply for .22!I used to rate the make but it's honestly a piece of **** ***** I wish I never bought it. ..and YES its a HATSAN ESCORT. Yeah, Hatsans are useless. I rarely use mine. I only got it because it was £200 and I wanted to say that i owned a S/A shotgun. When you get your FAC you'll soon realise that 200 yards is a little bit far for a .22LR. Garyb and I spent a little while trying to shoot a piece of flint at 175 yards and it took far longer to hit with my S/A than his bolt action, so there's some proof for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendersons Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 A bit of lamping but out in the day mostly, don't think the rabbits where i will be going have ever been shot at so they aren't easily spooked at the moment. For now though I will be concentrating on the pigeons while I save up the last bit to pay for the .22 nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yeah, Hatsans are useless. I rarely use mine. I only got it because it was £200 and I wanted to say that i owned a S/A shotgun. When you get your FAC you'll soon realise that 200 yards is a little bit far for a .22LR. Garyb and I spent a little while trying to shoot a piece of flint at 175 yards and it took far longer to hit with my S/A than his bolt action, so there's some proof for you... Out of interest what do/did you shoot with it, did it just jam on you or other things too? A bloke in the shop told me a story of someone have a stock fall off on them Mines just old enough to not be swapped for one that works but it's got a few years "guarantee" left.. They keep refurbing it but still doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) Out of interest what do/did you shoot with it, did it just jam on you or other things too?A bloke in the shop told me a story of someone have a stock fall off on them Mines just old enough to not be swapped for one that works but it's got a few years "guarantee" left.. They keep refurbing it but still doesn't work. It's genuinely my fault for it breaking. It doesn't jam, it's just got loads of crud around the hammer so sometimes it doesn't get a proper impact with the primer, giving a *click* bit annoying, but it can be fixed. I shoot pigeons and rabbits with it. Edited September 29, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 good for you glad you got it, not as hard as you thought was it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendersons Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 no it was ok just had to show I had a brain really (must have caught me on a good day) and answer a few safety questions nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGadger Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 RE Escorts, I have just taken delivery of a 3" cammo 12g and I quite like it. In the words of the local RFD, "Yer either get a good'un or a bad'un". I think this might have been true of the early models. So, after reading all the stuff on here about them, (some of it fair, and some, a bit biased I think), I collected the biggest variety of 12g carts I could find or scrounge, and took it pigeon and crow shooting. It cycled everything from 28g to 42g and 2.5 to 3" cases, and the barrel got very hot. It never missed a beat. The main thing that surprised me was the noise it made, which meant that ear protectors were very much needed (compared to my 20g SP.) This was a bit annoying as I like to hear the pigeons as they come in to land on a slow day, and ear defenders make this difficult, so its on-off-on-off with them. I suspect that the quality control has had to be beefed up with these guns, probably as a result of returns and whinges from Edgars and in the US. They have probably refined the springs too. This is normal product development/refinement. Yes, it isn't a Berretta or a Browning, a thing to behold, love and pass on to your kids, but remember the scornful comments when the following things became available: Volkswagen beetles Japanese electronics Honda 50 motorbikes Honda Civic rot-boxes Mazda rot-boxes Datsun Cherrys Skoda cars Hyundai cars Baikal shotguns AYA shotguns Russian optics No-one seems to laugh at these companies or products any more. I suspect that a good deal of the comments about Escorts is that folks are seeing the S/H value of their flagship products go down with the competitiveness of these workhorses. I quite like the fact that I don't have to baby the thing in the hide. FG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm sure the PW forum are glad to welcome a spokesperson from Hatsan...! I don't think you've owned it long enough for the problems to start kicking up. Stick 5000 carts through it and then tell us how you've got on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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