wildfowler.250 Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Just out of interest...which .22lr do you think is the best accauracy and build quality wise? Anschuitz? Sako? On a different note, whats a good group with .22 subs at 50, 75 and 100 yards? Any opinions are greatly appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miniwizard Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Kimber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baldrick Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Anschutz beats everything in the accuracy stakes, with no equivocation (look at the company's competition record). I would say that Weihrauch, Anschutz and Sako are all pretty comparable in terms of build quality and general refinement. My 14"-barrelled Anschutz will print virtually one-hole groups with Eley or RWS HP subs at 50 yards in the right conditions, 0.5" at 75 yards and just a shade under 1" at 100 yards. I could probably reduce those figures with a decent cleaning regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 anchutz is standard but there are others that are equal like tanner from Switzerland or walther from Germany krico, wheirauch valmet anchutz some of the older winchesters ie the m52, anchutz & Sako are just well known but not the only top player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Surprised anschutz comes out so positively over sako no mention of cooper then? Thanks baldrick, if I get a good day I'll try and get similar groups to that,( probably not though ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 (edited) anchutz is standard but there are others that are equal like tanner from Switzerland or walther from Germany krico, wheirauch valmet anchutz some of the older winchesters ie the m52, anchutz & Sako are just well known but not the only top player You aren't going to be taking a Tanner into the field (if indeed you can source one), and Walther is not what it once was in the greatness stakes.... Edit: Cooper shoot very well and of course they look simply fantastic. Having now pulled several Cooper rimfires (and centrefires) apart, however, I was disappointed at how prehistoric the internals of the rifles were, relative to the sophistication of an Anschutz or Weihrauch rigger unit, for example. That doesn't stop me lusting after anything Cooper though. Edited October 3, 2009 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Anschutz beats everything in the accuracy stakes, with no equivocation (look at the company's competition record). I would say that Weihrauch, Anschutz and Sako are all pretty comparable in terms of build quality and general refinement. My 14"-barrelled Anschutz will print virtually one-hole groups with Eley or RWS HP subs at 50 yards in the right conditions, 0.5" at 75 yards and just a shade under 1" at 100 yards. I could probably reduce those figures with a decent cleaning regime. Evening baldrick, surely you are not suggetsing that by cleaning your .22lr more often it would be more accurate are you? Thought the general feeling was to buy a new gun and never clean it, or thats the impression I have got off this forum anyway. I don't use my .22 anymore so don't need to clean it to improve accuracy. Found it more effective to leave the hmr barrel on and use that instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Evening baldrick, surely you are not suggetsing that by cleaning your .22lr more often it would be more accurate are you? Thought the general feeling was to buy a new gun and never clean it, or thats the impression I have got off this forum anyway. I don't use my .22 anymore so don't need to clean it to improve accuracy. Found it more effective to leave the hmr barrel on and use that instead. The reason I don't clean my .22LRs is because of the faff and ammo wastage associated with getting the bores back into the right state of grimeyness for the POI to remain consistent. I don't dispute that a clean .22LR barrel would shoot a tighter group! I clean my shotguns with almost religious fervour, but lose interest quickly with rifle cleaning for some peculiar reason. In fact I've lost interest in rifles altogether as of late, but that's a topic for another day. Anyway, badshot, you want to chuck the .17HMR barrel on your Sako and buy a ticket to the big boys' club in the form of a .22WMR barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 .22WMR is the only way to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Thought about it several times baldrick but the .17 is just too good for the bunnies (500 off 100 acres this year would agree) and I don't shoot that many foxes so for now will stick to the .17. Never had the chance to try one yet, however I seem to recall seeing ballistic tips for the wmr recently which would probably improve it no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I seem to recall seeing ballistic tips for the wmr recently which would probably improve it no end. They do indeed make an improvement. Worth consideration now that wheat prices are creeping back up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Is the .22 magnum any cheaper to shoot than the .17? I think it shoots less accaurately aswell past 100 yards? Feel free to correct me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Is the .22 magnum any cheaper to shoot than the .17? I think it shoots less accaurately aswell past 100 yards? Feel free to correct me! It is slightly less accurate, but in the field you would hardly notice... They have much more stopping power ans the ammo is cheaper. I LOVE mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 My wee Weirhauch ( god bless her ) groups at sub 1/2" out to 80 yards. Shoot regularly with a mates CZ and it is almost as good but I would say that the Weirhauch has a better trigger. 18 rabbits in two evenings this week also agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 They do indeed make an improvement. Worth consideration now that wheat prices are creeping back up? Apologies to all for the derail but I laughed my socks off at that Baldrick. Creeping back up is about right when the fertiliser used to grow a crop cost anywhere from £300-£450, and now getting circa £87/ton for feed wheat it ain't too rosy. I know I am shielded from the worst with my marketing strategy but boy could it do with going up as quick as it dropped. If I was considering another calibre it would be a complete gun not a barrel as it gets a bit trying rezeroing each time the barrel is changed. Waste of time and ammo for a busy farmer. BTW the sako quad in .22lr is as accurate as any other I have seen and I think there is now a cure for it little foibles. When I do have it on it can easily do ragged holes at 50 yds. Comfortably splatter those little chalk targets at 75 yds, but must admit haven't bothered with the 100yds as I have the HMR for that sort of range and above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Apologies to all for the derail but I laughed my socks off at that Baldrick. Creeping back up is about right when the fertiliser used to grow a crop cost anywhere from £300-£450, and now getting circa £87/ton for feed wheat it ain't too rosy. I know I am shielded from the worst with my marketing strategy but boy could it do with going up as quick as it dropped. If I was considering another calibre it would be a complete gun not a barrel as it gets a bit trying rezeroing each time the barrel is changed. Waste of time and ammo for a busy farmer. Tongue was firmly in cheek when I wrote that, don't worry. I don't think the wheat price is about to rise at any point soon. Take solace that you're not a spud farmer, badshot - then you really would be crying yourself to sleep each night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 If you get a CZ with a varmint barrel and redone trigger or match trigger...and then an annie, at 50yds it will be hard to notice and big differance...but the annie does come the most equipped out of the box Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacker Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 .22 Annie - had mine for a couple of weeks now and it's everything i was expecting. RWS and Eley subs are the carts to go for in these. Again one hole groups at 60yds opening up to 1/4" at 75yds (could be me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHunter Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 With Wacker on this one, Annie 1417 with Eley subs is a match made in Heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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