cowboy1403 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 a friend of mine and fellow shooter has a lot of land that we want to use for clay shooting,does anybody know where we would stand on the legalities of starting a private shooting club.no profit is intended to be made from the venture at this point but maybe in the futre,but costs have to be covered. thanks Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Noise pollution seems to be the main issue nowdays, whether it be a MX track or a gun shoot, the NIMBYS rule the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Noise pollution seems to be the main issue nowdays, whether it be a MX track or a gun shoot, the NIMBYS rule the day i dont think noise will be to much of a problem nearest house is 1/4 mile away and there is motorway inbetween and that is behind you where we intend to shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Priority, get your self a trained safety officer, there are so many rules and regulations ,ask the cpsa to send you details, 'cause if you don't get it right you will be closed down overnight. The main rule is something like a 300 metre fallout range , so be very careful about public footpaths .etc etc, trappers have to be over a certain age, andbe given eye ear, head protection. The list is endless, good luck. :o : from Auntie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 i think i may have worded the first post wrongly.perhaps i should have called it a syndicate rather than a club. just trying to find away of keeping the cost of shooting down. do we have to set a number of members and keep to it or can we have as many as we want. all members will responcable for there own insurance. can we charge for joining the syndicate to fund the buying of traps etc. any info or where to find things would be great Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 also looking for approx 8 to 10 guns to join syndicate. if you live in the south gloucestshire area of bristol and might be interested drop me a pm and i will get back to you. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 i think i may have worded the first post wrongly.perhaps i should have called it a syndicate rather than a club. just trying to find away of keeping the cost of shooting down. do we have to set a number of members and keep to it or can we have as many as we want. all members will responcable for there own insurance. can we charge for joining the syndicate to fund the buying of traps etc. any info or where to find things would be great Ian Even though each 'member' would have insurance I think you would probably still need public liability insurance. This may set the limit of 'members'. As a syndicate you don't have to charge as you are dividing the cost between you so it wouldn't be a charge as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Even though each 'member' would have insurance I think you would probably still need public liability insurance. This may set the limit of 'members'. As a syndicate you don't have to charge as you are dividing the cost between you so it wouldn't be a charge as such. do you think that we will need seperate public liability insurance as well if "members" have to be members of basc or ccc which come with £10m public liability insurance.or simular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 you have pm.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 do you think that we will need seperate public liability insurance as well if "members" have to be members of basc or ccc which come with £10m public liability insurance.or simular. Firstly just my opinon may not be fact, but what happens if someone gets hurt and it isn't the action of one person that caused it, which insurance would pay out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm_a_luv_a_fish_supper_me Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Go for it Thats exactly the way our club runs No profit any one ca n turn up & shoot But members get cheaper shooting we get insurance through the NFU but thats only for 3 party not the traps As long as your shoots not permanent IE we use static caravan as a club house & containers & lockable tanks for the traps & clays you dont need planing permision (Scotland anyways) if you shoot less than 28 daysa year. MMM CHIPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Firstly just my opinon may not be fact, but what happens if someone gets hurt and it isn't the action of one person that caused it, which insurance would pay out? i know what your saying but it must be ok i think it`s the same situation if you were out pigeon shooting on a farm and there is a few of you shooting the farmer`s insurance wont want to pay,thats where basc legal team would earn there pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I was a founder member of a similar group that started up, originally just for fun on private land, and evan simple things like fund raising or charity shoots were a minefield. My earlier advice still stands, if you would like to contact the people who now run the same i'm sure they would be glad to give you any advice.www.rhcpc.co.uk and click on to contact us. good luck from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 As a qualified CPSA safety officer, I would recommend insurance to be on the safe side as well as all being a member of BASC, CPSA, C.A, ETC. Do the 28 day thing, but don`t have practice at clays in between as it counts as one of your 28 days. Use a 4x4 and trailer for transporting the traps which need to be automatic. Get someone to do a Safety officers course. (£100) Make up some cages to shoot from. Keep at least 300yds from any public right of way, road footpaths etc. Noise levels. CIEH guideline max. noise level for shooting ground is 65db. (Shotgun at shoulder is 120db). Get it checked at the nearest house. If possible get them interested in shooting some how. You must provide employees with Shooting glasses,hearing protection, visibility jackets and hard hats etc,etc. Every trap should have at least 275m /300yds distance for shot fall out which will be a no-go area to all. You can`t shoot over water with lead at all, even a small stream. Plan an emergency response program in case of accident. Do a risk assessment and carry out a safe system of working the ground. There is a lot more as well, which I may be able to help with as I only live 25 miles south of Bristol. I am also a fully quallified Association of Professional Shooting Instructors (APSI) Instructor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 You can`t shoot over water with lead at all, even a small stream. Is this true? My local clay ground has about 8 traps set up around a large pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Point the traps so that the guns are not shooting in or over the water. Thats why wildfowlers don`t use lead shot any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 You can`t shoot over water with lead at all, even a small stream. Is this true? My local clay ground has about 8 traps set up around a large pond. if you're not shooting wildfowl I don't believe its a problem legally, however obviously the ban did come in for a reason and not sure I'd be keen on filling a pond with lead and clays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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