groach1234 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Okay i recently got granted my FAC for 17hmr and 22lr both with mods and its open. My plan always was to have these for 6-12 months then put in for a cf when i have some experience so i had a better chance of getting it granted. Now my problem is choosing what to apply for. It is for Roe and fox so .243 minimum i know but what i need to know is that as i have open flat land would i be better going for i higher caliber. Now i know this may seem an odd question but someone once told me that i higher caliber may be a safer round as the greater weight of the bullet means it falls faster now is this true or utter bull ****? i dont know but my understanding of physics suggests that there is some grounding in this principle but i could be wrong. But there is some good 6ft tall and about 5ft deep banks at at least one edge of most of the fields and there are no foot paths dissecting any of the fields if this helps. So what do you feel about maybe going for a higher caliber? am i being stupid? and also can you recommend any good reading on the subject? George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I believe that the law has been ammended so that you can use your deer legal rifle, whatever the calibre, for shooting a fox. But I am not sure if the police are aware of the fact, all forces seem to have different interpretations of the law. The best thing you can do is consult your local FEO and see what they will allow you to have When I applied for my certificate there were restrictions in place, and the largest calibre that West Mercia would allow for fox & deer was the 6.5x55 so that is what i had. Given a free choice i would have bought a .308 at the time. I am not dissapointed with the 6.5x55. Most centrefire rounds are dangerous up to anywhere between 4km-6km. A safe shot with a backstop, is as safe with a .243 as it is with a 30-06. And as dangerous if there is no backstop. On some of my permissions I was granted the right to shoot as long as i used a high seat because some of it is very flat. But i also got them to grant me the right to follow up on foot and dispatch wounded deer on the same land, just in case i needed it. ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) The weight of the bullet will not affect how long it takes to fall to the ground. If you dropped a marble and a bowling ball from the same height they will hit the ground at the same time even though they will have very different weights. Edited October 22, 2009 by allthegearandnoidea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) The weight of the bullet will not affect how long it takes to fall to the ground. If you dropped a marble and a bowling ball from the same height they will hit the ground at the same time even though they will have very different weights. This is true in a vacuum but not on the earth as wind resistance and terminal velocity are factors that must be taken into acount. George Edited October 22, 2009 by groach1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 *Centrefire and calibre. Sorry it gets right up my nose. I think a .270 is a good way to go from what I've read in places. Next on my list is a .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 *Centrefire and calibre. Sorry it gets right up my nose. Spell check on my lap top fixes stuff for me haha George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 the 243win is a popular choice and easy to get a variety of types of ammo for....that's what I use and it has served me well so far..... Just my t'pence.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Roe and fox = 243, that's pretty much why it exists! 80gr SP or 87 v-max, neither species will argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Roe and fox = 243, that's pretty much why it exists! 80gr SP or 87 v-max, neither species will argue. but that wouldn't be legal on deer would it? England and Wales For Muntjac and Chinese Water deer only- a rifle with a minimum calibre of not less than .220 inches and muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds and a bullet weight of not less than 50 grains may be used. For all deer of any species - a minimum calibre of .240 inches, a minimum bullet weight of 100 grains and minimum muzzle energy of 1,700 foot pounds is the legal requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 No, you're reading the Scotland spec for deer larger than roe. In England & Wales, the minimum requirement for shooting roe deer is a rifle of .240 calibre, with 1700 ft/lbs of energy. No requirement for bullet weight is set. In Scotland, you may use a .22 CF with 1000 ft/lbs of energy and a 50 grain bullet on deer species up to and including roe deer; therefore this is completely legal. I speak from experience - very effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 No, you're reading the Scotland spec for deer larger than roe. In England & Wales, the minimum requirement for shooting roe deer is a rifle of .240 calibre, with 1700 ft/lbs of energy. No requirement for bullet weight is set. In Scotland, you may use a .22 CF with 1000 ft/lbs of energy and a 50 grain bullet on deer species up to and including roe deer; therefore this is completely legal. I speak from experience - very effective. really? in 243 Winchester, which is another barrel length critical calibre, you would need to be driving a 100-grain bullet at 2770 fps to achieve 1700 ft/lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yep, and you can drive that easy as pie! I drive an 80 grain at 3400, which is nudging just over 2000 ft/lbs. I drive the 87 at about 3250, which is also over 2000 - no sweat there. Even from a short barrel like a Tikka, that's over 3000 ft/sec, which 1700+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Now i know this may seem an odd question but someone once told me that i higher caliber may be a safer round as the greater weight of the bullet means it falls faster now is this true or utter bull ****? It may be true from the laws of physics point of view, but from the firearms safety point of view it is total and utter ****! I suggest you take no notice whatsoever of the person who gave you that piece of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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