Shuck. Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Hello airgunners. This is my first post in this section so be nice, stupid questions commencing.. I used to have quite a few air pistols, namely CO2 - a few blowbacks (how fun are they??).. I was in the gunshop today and noticed they sell what looked like CO2 pistols I always considered myself on top of gun laws (I mean being knowledgeable of them, not above them ) ..but I thought CO2 pistols (and all other kinds of 'realistic imitation firearms') were made illegal to buy/sell around the '06/'07 era, somewhere just after the VCR Bill.. which is mainly why I never bothered continuing my collection and they all kind of withered away and got sold on or broke, mainly broke. How is it that they have to sell those bright orange blank firers and ugly transparent airsoft bb guns (I'm really sorry if you own one).. but they can sell what seems to be CO2 pistols? I am interested to know if they actually could have been air pistols as I wouldn't mind getting back into it! Thanks in advance for all of your very informative replies and for not taking the **** out of my lack of knowledge! P.S. I didn't ask the bloke in the shop what they were as I didn't want to sound stupid, I don't mind in front of you lot P.S. I did try and Google around but couldn't find anything at all - it's one of those things that involves Law so naturally everyone has a different opinion.. well, on Google they do anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 HI there, only certain types of pistol were banned, you can still buy the imitation pistols, they have those disposable small Co2 cylinders and run at about 2ft/lbs. some target pistols were affected by the ban and i think all the brocock pistols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Thanks for the reply, I knew about the Brococks, they were banned before I got into it all. So If I were to buy or sell one of these rotary magazine 12gram CO2 guns from/to a mate, what steps would I need to go through? Is it OK for me to just go and collect it or is there any I.D prerequisites I'd be aware of? How do you carry them in a public place? Thanks again for the reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobyb525 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Prove you are 18 and away you go Normal airgun rules apply regarding public places etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 No it's a perfectly valid question. For some strange reason you can buy a CO2 Pistol that looks like a Deagle or Beretta 92 but for Airsoft they have to be 50% non realistic colours (transparent or orange etc) unless you are a registered member of an Airsoft Club (then you can buy the all black more realistic ones). Always strikes me as strange that even with my Firearms Licence I couldn't buy an Airsoft Uzi unless it was dayglo orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) No it's a perfectly valid question. For some strange reason you can buy a CO2 Pistol that looks like a Deagle or Beretta 92 but for Airsoft they have to be 50% non realistic colours (transparent or orange etc) unless you are a registered member of an Airsoft Club (then you can buy the all black more realistic ones). Always strikes me as strange that even with my Firearms Licence I couldn't buy an Airsoft Uzi unless it was dayglo orange. Ha, Laws never cease to amaze me, you're obviously deemed suitable to own a firearm but not so to own a real imitation Uzi.. I wouldn't mind doing a bit of Airsoft one day.. Toby, I may not be that clued up in normal airgun rules, just to recap - It would be legal as long as they're covered up and unloaded? Ta for all the advice I knew this was my best bet! Edit: I also find it amusing one can own a shotgun at 16 but you have to be 18 for an airsoft gun Edited December 7, 2009 by Shuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntercarbine Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Just to clarify mate, all imitation firearms were banned, airsoft and replicas. The co2 pistols escaped this as they are working airguns, and some of them just happen to be exact replicas of firearms. I had a berretta92f a while ago and it was great fun. I bet the blowback desert eagle is a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobyb525 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Toby, I may not be that clued up in normal airgun rules, just to recap - It would be legal as long as they're covered up and unloaded? Yes just aslong as its covered and you have a valid reason ie gunsmiths or shooting range The laws are a bit messed up but best we don't complain, no doubt they will make them tighter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Just to clarify mate, all imitation firearms were banned, airsoft and replicas. The co2 pistols escaped this as they are working airguns I thought I understood.. but now I'm lost again I had a berretta92f a while ago and it was great fun. I bet the blowback desert eagle is a laugh. Although now you mention Hunter, I was actually looking at the 92f.. lovely design, don't think it was a blowback though.. Tempted as I used to have an airsoft replica back when they were all the rage.. say about '05.. I had a black heavyweight 92f with metal frame and slide.. was my pride and joy until I left it at a mates and never saw it again .. Actually it cost about 50 quid too!! Edited December 7, 2009 by Shuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes just aslong as its covered and you have a valid reason ie gunsmiths or shooting range The laws are a bit messed up but best we don't complain, no doubt they will make them tighter Would a private sale be a good reason or wouldn't you risk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 "all imitation firearms were banned, airsoft and replicas." hang on... so imitation firearms are banned? But, its perfectly legal for me to buy a de-activated real uzi, uk47 or glock 17 or what-have-you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobyb525 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes a sale is fine, you just need a reason to be in public with it although it must be in a slip but thats the only time you should have it in public along with gunsmith or on way to a shooting ground, without reason it is an offensive weapon. Also it must be under 6 ftlbs for a pistol. I thought you need to be part of a theater crew or tv studio and need it as a prop to buy deactivated hand guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Yes a sale is fine, you just need a reason to be in public with it although it must be in a slip but thats the only time you should have it in public along with gunsmith or on way to a shooting ground, without reason it is an offensive weapon. Also it must be under 6 ftlbs for a pistol. I thought you need to be part of a theater crew or tv studio and need it as a prop to buy deactivated hand guns Thanks for all the comments again, really cleared all my confusion up Yes Tobby that's probably what confused me, when the VCR came in, it was made illegal for a supplier to sell blank firing/replica RIF's to Joe Public unless he has proof of a legitimate theatre or film/TV usage. I must have just filled in the blanks and wrongly assumed that although an unconvertible deactivated replica can look and feel identical to the real deal, it would be in the same bucket as a 'live firing' CO2 pistol, which is obviously not the case Righty then I'll probably ask around as 130 is a bit much for a bit of fun in the garden Edit: So I have one more question: slightly off topic for the area but not for the thread - Being as blank firers are all bright painted colours now if you go to the shop, what happened to the old ones in people's possession if they bought before the VCR? I don't recall any hand-ins or amnesties.. Any ideas Edited December 7, 2009 by Shuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali-C Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 You can still buy de-acts. Airsoft has to be 50% unrealistic colours when purchased from a shop UNLESS you are VCR exempt, ie: registered skirmisher, re-enactor etc. (Although there are no laws against spraying it or selling a realistically coloured one to a non VCR exempt person second hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 You can still buy de-acts. Airsoft has to be 50% unrealistic colours when purchased from a shop UNLESS you are VCR exempt, ie: registered skirmisher, re-enactor etc. (Although there are no laws against spraying it or selling a realistically coloured one to a non VCR exempt person second hand) Where did you get this info mate? Even I know for a fact it's illegal to paint an unrealistic colour airsoft gun.. I read it the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntercarbine Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 "all imitation firearms were banned, airsoft and replicas." hang on... so imitation firearms are banned? But, its perfectly legal for me to buy a de-activated real uzi, uk47 or glock 17 or what-have-you? yep thats right you can buy any sort of de-act firearm, but replicas are a no-no unless you are a registered re-enactor or involved in film/tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali-C Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Where did you get this info mate? Even I know for a fact it's illegal to paint an unrealistic colour airsoft gun.. I read it the other day Sorry, worded it wrong. You can spray a brightly coloured one if you are VCR exempt. However, if you are non VCR exempt, you can't perminantly alter the colour, camo tape can be used though as it isn't perminant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEINVISIBLESCARECROW Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 At one time Co2 was FAC only then when powder pistols were banned Co2 was made available off ticket. That's what I heard. It would be a bit silly to off ticket them then ban them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy99 Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 i know dvds are popular but i didnt think theyd outlaw vcr's..... bu dum tshush, im here all week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teal27 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Shuck, if your still getting chased by those giant man eating badgers you need something abit bigger than a co2 pistol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Teal believe it or not I've been doing extensive research of the badger attack phenomenon - There's actually a whole lot of people all over the internet asking questions, a few I've seen quite a few similar experiences to my own. In one instance a bloke walks home from the pub with his mates, hears a rustling, goes to investigate and the next thing he's running down the road with the badger, snarling and shuffling after him AND his three mates. Another, a man I believe in Norfolk was awoken by a banging in his garage, he went to investigate and was confronted by a badger.. the badger slowly advanced and actually attacked him. Luckily his wife helped him escape, so only had to be treated with two skin grafts, one of which on his face after it had taken him down trying to escape. Apparently some 'expert' claimed that it was an 'Incredible event', a 'one off' and that no one else should worry about it happening to them. ..I will add that all of the personal accounts online in forums/ask websites, all come to the same accusations of character, "What were you smoking" "Was it a dog" "Badger's don't attack people" etc etc.. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole community somewhere of innocent people fallen victim to badger crime. I've looked more into the rules & regs of badger based self defense, I came to the result that it is ILLEGAL to kill/hurt/rob a badger, and the only exceptions are if you have 'badger' on your license, (only if it's damaging crops/livestock or mercy-killed). Under NO OTHER EXCEPTIONS is one to injure a badger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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