ianltz Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 what magnification are you using your scope on? the higher the mag, the more its going to look like your wobbly, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFox Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 In my mind it's a mixture of a few things which will make you shoot well. Firstly, are you a stress head or a relaxed kind of bloke? If you shoot a bad group and it annoys you then your breathing and pulse rate will increase and it will be harder to shoot well. The more annoyed you get the worse it will be. So first off don't stress about it, just chill out and get on with the job! Second, you'll never hold a gun still! I spent years trying when I was a lad until one day I bumped into a chap who told me to "shoot it as the cross passes over it". Once you get the hang of this it can work well. I know a guy who when off hand shooting sweeps his rifle up from below the target and as he passes the mark lets the shot go (a bit like you would with a shotgun but pull as you pass not after). He doesn't miss much! I have a strong but slow pulse and when shooting my centrefires at long range off of a bipod I have to fire between heart beats. As I watch the target it will jump, briefly sit still then jump again! So just after the jump I fire, it works for me. The longer you try to hold steady the worse you will be. Third, your gun isn't the easiest to shoot. Being a light springer hold is very important. You say you have a good idea how to do it and you may well do. It just may be that you've not shot it enough yet to be consistent. Just shoot more and keep trying! Fourth, squeeze the trigger not pull it. If you're rushing to get a shot off at the right moment you may snatch it. If possible get someone to watch you shoot as you may not even realise you're doing it! I hope you get it sorted. The '95 isn't a bad rifle if you know how to use it. I can't really shout because I mainly shoot bigger guns these days and my technique with light springers is awful, but it's a case of "don't do as I do, do as I say"! I used to be good with my Supersport so I know where I go wrong, I just can't put the time in to fix it so I use a heavier rifle these days! I'm thinking I should have gone with the HW80, but I picked up a really light BSA XL the other day and I had little problem holding it steady. I'm getting a custom stock on it soon, plus a v-mach tune so hopefully that will sort some problems out. I reckon it's just a case of more practice. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I've just got an 80 myself. They're a lot easier to shoot but they weigh a ton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 my first Weihrauch was a 35E when i was 11 - god that felt heavy, i remember not being able to cock it without putting the butt on my foot and leaning on the barrel. Even these days, with the 100S my arms get wobbly once i've been carrying around the fields for any length of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFox Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 My HW95 is fairly heavy when it's wearing its scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFox Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Does the cheek need to be pressed into the comb? I find the comb on the HWs a little low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 i shoot a hw97k, very heavy as you probably know, and its almost impossible to get it steadied when taking standing shots out in the field, as mentioned above timing shots when the crosshairs pass over the target is the technique i use..where possible tho, i like a position where you sit down on your ****, bring one knee up to chin level and rest the arm that would hold the gun at the fore-end on your knee. you only hold the gun with one hand and use the resting arm for support..can you picture it? anyway this method has proven very successful for me, and the gun hardly wavers at all. just found this, pretty much the same... http://precisionlongrangehunter.com/images/image016.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Theres a little video on you tube about this very problem ,just go on you tube and type in "air rifle positions"in the top search box, its the first choice clip that you want ,sorry but the link won't transfer over . Edited February 10, 2010 by Jega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFox Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 i shoot a hw97k, very heavy as you probably know, and its almost impossible to get it steadied when taking standing shots out in the field, as mentioned above timing shots when the crosshairs pass over the target is the technique i use..where possible tho, i like a position where you sit down on your ****, bring one knee up to chin level and rest the arm that would hold the gun at the fore-end on your knee. you only hold the gun with one hand and use the resting arm for support..can you picture it? anyway this method has proven very successful for me, and the gun hardly wavers at all. just found this, pretty much the same... http://precisionlongrangehunter.com/images/image016.jpg How would that work with a springer? The POI would be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 the POI wouldnt change, its a change of position thats all, springer or pcp the basics are still the same, try it out it may supprise you as it did me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Theres a little video on you tube about this very problem ,just go on you tube and type in "air rifle positions"in the top search box, its the first choice clip that you want ,sorry but the link won't transfer over .[/quot Edited February 11, 2010 by Jega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milligan Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) What size groups are you getting? And yes, the cheek should engage the cheek piece and ideally your eye should be lined up to the scope without having to hold your head off the stock. Some level of wobble is to be expected. Edited February 14, 2010 by Milligan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Callum. Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Why can you shoot fine with your rifle but not air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alita197 Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) hi try using a quad pod they are the steadist set of sticks you will ever use it a takes a little time to get to master but believe me once you have there will be no gun waver. Edited February 15, 2010 by alita197 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I used to do a lot of smallbore (22 rimfire) target shoting, prone, with only a sling to aid steadyness. In that situation, a series of slow, relaxed breaths before the shot helped a lot - the sights would move diagonally with every breath and I'd know that at the end of the third breath I'd be bang-on bull. However! I'm finding HFT a LOT more challenging! When kneeling/standing without any kind of support, by the time I've taken my three breaths the flippin' barrel tip would be all over the place! For unsupported shooting, I find it better to do my 'relaxed breathing' before I've mounted the gun, then just lift and fire at the first sweet-spot moment. if I pause any longer than that, I get too shaky and have to unmount and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peek-at Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 You haven't got Parkinsons have you? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 funny guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milligan Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 So what size groups are you getting? If you're shooting a springer there are limitations on what you can expect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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