Prioritise these rifle brands

[Big Dog]

Hi all you great guys. I still have time to chose the type of .222 brand/make I go for. I don't have a great range of experience of some brands. Yes Brno is the cheaper end and Sako the upper end.

 

I want better then Brno and probably wont be able to aford Sako. How would you prioritise the following rifles based mainly on quality and long life; will want to put a moderater on it.

Please add other to the list that you think are worth while:

 

Grade on 1-10 scale, 1 being low: Trigger quality, barrel wear, looks

 

Prioritise:

- Brno

- CZ

- Tikka

- Ruger

- Remminton

- Anschütz

- Sako

- others

 

Thanks

[dunganick]

tikka is made by sako, so sako build quality (slight reduction in the quality of materials) and is 2/3rds the price of a sako

 

you forget mauser, steyr, winchester, howa, blaser

 

and brno and cz although not the same are marketed as the same

 

i think a top 3 would be better

 

sako; trigger 10/10, barrel ware 9/10 (only ever heard of 22-250's wearing out barrels in them) and looks 10/10

 

tikka; trigger 10/10, barrel wear, little experiance with them cant comment, looks, 9/10 wood isnt as good as sako's generally

 

howa (although i havent seen an actual howa, many rifles use their actions (which i have handled), and they cost penuts, take a look on gun trader)

 

no experiance with these guns 1st hand, but trigger is apparently a little creepy the 1st 100 shots but then settles down, take a look at the firearm review section on airgunbbs.com someone reviewed one.

 

, however brno/cz would feature not far behind

 

and if money was no issue, mauser and steyr would be well up there

 

the gun im looking at getting is either a howa varmint or a weihrauch hw66 if i feel like splashing out a bit

Edited October 4, 2005 by dunganick

[deadeye ive]

- Brno

- CZ

- Tikka

- Ruger

- Remminton

- Anschütz

- Sako

- others

 

Thanks

Big Dog

 

Can't really comment as i'm a great believer in that you get what you pay for when it comes to this Sport,Leisure,Hobby or outside interest.

 

So price would determine my priority BUT!!!! the Japs have a habit of making good engineered products cheap so i would,nt be surprised about the performance and reliability on the Howa

 

As i have a Tikka .223 this would be my top Choice where looks ,build quality ,easy trigger adjustment and more importantly the price £500 approx determine it.

 

Barrel burners are where light ,high velocity ammo are used on a regular basis as a norm ,but these effects can happen to ANY barrel if misused (Still targeting Rd after Rd lets say)Where the barrel gets extremely hot.I think Tikka say the 595 has a barrel life of 6000rds if properly maintained although i'm not certain

 

 

Why the .222 and not the more common .223?

 

 

Cheers Ive

[dunganick]

becuase the 222 is a gentlemans cartridge and the 223 is a tactical ,synthetic stock, heavy barrel, adjustable paralax, persons cartrige :*)

 

and i think the laws over his way make it easier to get a 222, altho of course the above reason is of course why he chose it

[deadeye ive]

and i think the laws over his way make it easier to get a 222,

Thanks Nick :*)

 

I now remember this topic being disccussed by Big Dog sometime ago.Something to do with it being a military round me thinks

 

Cheers Ive

[Gemini]

Have a look and see if you can get a Howa in .222. I had one of these rifles and was very impressed with it, and only sold it because I wanted a Tikka in .243.

The only downside is that Howa no-longer make the .222 so you may have to look around for someone who has one in stock.

You could do worse than a good old fashioned Remington.

G.M.

[dunganick]

or howa sell their guns as actions, unbarreled, so a lothar walthar (sp?) barrel could be bought, top quality barrel, and you would have a gun. one thing to note is that the howa synthetic stocks are not rated very well, apparently its well worth the extra for a laminate.

[Ishapoor]

Big Dog,

 

You've just described a Tikka!

 

 

Reliably nicely set up & accurate straight out of the box, a very useful dedicated mounting system and decent trigger to boot. The yanks just don't seem to be CONSISTENTLY as good, though there are good ones out there. Anschutz certainly worth a look too, though I've only ever shot a hornet...

[Big Dog]

deadeye ive

 

In N. Ireland for field use a .222 is about as good as it gets. Unless you can prove you shoot on really big fields, then you may get it. The military round is also a broblem.

 

As I said to domeone else. Ireland is a wee country. To shoot east -west you might miss land altogether and shot a fisherman

 

Big fields are rare, about, but rare. The police try to push toward Hornets, but with enough land and determination .222 are possible.

 

I would prefer the 222 over the Hornet for all the reason it is better; efficient, straighter trajectory, less effected by wind, dispach the vermint betterr.........!

 

You know all the reason better than me :*)

 

A Tikka hunter (I think it light) Syn = £700, wood, £700 and Laminated £800. Seems to be more expensive here than with you guys. I guess competition in Uk kelps we have to add more P&P too

[Big Dog]

What Tikka would be not too light on the barrel but not as heavy as the varmint one, I'm told it is heavy to carry once you bi-pod and moderate it.

 

I would like to shoot some targets with it.

 

I have probably ask this b4 but asking again as I don't have confidence in known what is available in the range :*) .

[Browning]

BD,

 

I have a Tikka T3 in .243, standard barrel, wooden stock, moderated with a T8, and sometimes have a Harris bipod attached.

 

This outfit will do everything, (and probably more), than I ask of it, and it's not too heavy to lug around the fields.

[Frank]

Hi Big Dog,

I got a .223 licenced down here in the south. It took a while, but persistence payed off.

The fields where i am in Kerry, are fairly small, the odd one being big.

But then again, we dont get our land cleared like you do in the north and UK.

We down here, have to get as much permissions and reasons, to have a rifle as possible.

Target use is good too, which i use aswell, as is the many farmers i know who have problems with foxes ect.

I am a part time pest controler for the area i am in.

My .223 as you know is a CZ. I find it great value for money if your on a low budget.

The Tikka looks good value too, id go for that me self, if i had the chance.

Edited October 5, 2005 by Frank

[deadeye ive]

A Tikka hunter (I think it light) Syn = £700, wood, £700 and Laminated £800. Seems to be more expensive here than with you guys. I guess competition in Uk kelps we have to add more P&P too

Big Dog

 

By Wood £700 is that with a standard barrel?.......If so then that is one hell of a price difference.

 

If they do a version in.222 look around for the older Tikka 595 they might be cheaper.

 

There is a photo of my gun (595) in the sporting pictures section under the topic an hour on the range started by Frank if you want to see what one looks like

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Ive

[Sergeant]

I would say Steyr, very nice gun

Tikka, good quality for the price

and cz/ brno a very good budget gun but some think the trigger needs improving.

[Big Dog]

deadeye ive

As far as I know it is "Tikka T3 Hunter Light"?? Does that mean anything??

 

.222 are very popurlar in NI

[Big Dog]

deadeye ive nice gun/set up you have. Is that a T3?

[Gemini]

The T3 Lite has the synthetic stock.

http://www.tikka.fi/

G.M.

[Whitebridges]

Girls. Steyr, easy. :thumbs:

[Big Dog]

Gemini - that is a good site you posted, best I've seen yet.

From having seen these guns I think the barrels are the same it the synthetic stock that make it lighter.

 

What would you pay for these guns.

 

The wood and synthectic are around £700

 

The laminated in £800 :thumbs:

 

 

Buy the way guys thanks for you helpful feedback.

[RAMMER BURT]

cz triggers are a bit crurd but with a bit of fettling their are much improved :thumbs:

[Gemini]

Big dog, I have the Tikka Hunter in .243, and I have been very surprised at how smooth the bolt is. It glides like it’s on ball-bearings and is nice and light to carry.

Nice qualities in a .222, .223 and .243 but probably a little bit fierce in bigger calibres. Having said that, it would be an ideal calibre in .308 if you were on the hill and only taking the occasional shot.

G.M.

[Big Dog]

Any thought on price??

 

See my previous posts above for what I seen to have to pay

[deadeye ive]

deadeye ive nice gun/set up you have. Is that a T3?

Big Dog

 

No ,its the older M595 i was telling you about.Shop around mate including UK :thumbs:

 

 

Your being ripped off if your having to pay £700 for a T3 IN Wood &Standard barrel

 

Trust me (NI&UK There can't be that much difference)

 

Ive

[Sergeant]

Personally i dont find any problem with the .308 recoil or its size even for many shots in succession.

[dunganick]

no offence mate, but i know very many shooters (and i know the odd one) who would happily fire more than 25 shots in succession, even a heavy sporting rifle running a light load you are always concerned that its going to nip you, not something which gives good groups, although probably wouldnt effect your accuracy for a single shot in the field

 

maybe i just shoot with a bunch or girly guys, but very few of them enjoy shooting a gun which smacks them about, and as my club is becoming more and more invlolved in bench rest, it dosent aid in winning competitions.

 

personally i would give the 308 a wide birth, you will have trouble getting it as a sole vermin round, more likely as a round which you can shoot vermin whilst deer stalking, which for those foxers out there is no real use. they are common, everyone has them (contridicting myself here, oh well) so they arnt intresting, they arnt exceptionally accurate (although a select few guns are)

 

just take a look at the top bench rest rigs, most of them use 6m or 6.5 in some kind of wildcat, graunted 308 is 10 or 20% more gun when it comes to knocking bambi over, but in my opinion the cartridge is 40% more obnoxious to use than say the 6.5

 

not trying to say your wrong, you might find the recoil fine, however most of the people i know have sold their 308's for 6mm br's or other smaller faster rounds with less recoil.

 

hope im helping not confusing

Edited October 8, 2005 by dunganick