mossy835 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 what are you paying for steel shot, a 1,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 what are you paying for steel shot, a 1,000 115 a thou from lakenheath. gamebore 21g super steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) £220 for 36g #1 and thats only because i have to stay within the law. i refuse to use it for anything else as its **** Edited April 5, 2010 by topshot_2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 That's the trouble with the majority of shooters...too law abiding. What are the chances of being caught? There was one shooter on here who has not been stopped in twenty years of wild fowling and I believe that Swans are now being eaten in England and there are no prosecutions as yet. So why be law abiding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 That's the trouble with the majority of shooters...too law abiding. What are the chances of being caught? There was one shooter on here who has not been stopped in twenty years of wild fowling and I believe that Swans are now being eaten in England and there are no prosecutions as yet. So why be law abiding? too many interferring people in the countryside ready to report shooters, getting caught shooting ducks with lead would be just my luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) Topshot , if you had asked me a few years ago I would have agreed with you steel for geese at long range is rubbish. Indeed in the past I have put posts on here saying so. But I now use a turkey choke ( 42 points ) and BBB pellets and its devastating on high geese. I shoot a lot of geese each winter with no lower crippling rate than the old days when I used lead. Equally I use gamebore 36 gr no 3 or Remington no 2 on 50 yard mallard with the turkey choke and the results are astounding. You have to get into the idea that the old rules about shooting are turned on their head when using steel. Steel needs to be fast , very fast 1400 fps or more. At that sort of speed lead blows its pattern , steel does not. With lead pattern fails before penetration. In steel its the other way around. To counter this go up 2 or 3 sizes in shot size. The tightness of the pattern counters the lower pellet count to still produce good patterns. Using a 1 9\16ths oz load of Remington BBB I get 70% patterns using the super choke at 50 yards. Get your head around the changes needed in thinking with steel and it will perform just fine. Blazer , only a marsh cowboy would think about shooting swans and such people have no place in our sport today. As for the chances of being caught , read the news a number of people have been prosecuted for shooting swans and protected geese in the past few years. So to encourage people to break the law is the height of stupidity Edited April 5, 2010 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I think the idea of breaking the law may have been a bit of toungue in cheek sarcasm,i dont honestly think anyone with a ha-pence of common sense and the owner of a license would be as dumb as a bag of wet mice and do that sort of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Anser, Do you not bother reading what I post. I said there are now Swans being eaten in England now, eaten not shot. And these such people as you call them were not born here, which is probably why they are not prosecuted. I suggest you read Bob Bristers book Shotgunning The Art and Science on shooting geese with steel shot he has a lot more experience than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I think the idea of breaking the law may have been a bit of toungue in cheek sarcasm,i dont honestly think anyone with a ha-pence of common sense and the owner of a license would be as dumb as a bag of wet mice and do that sort of thing Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) Blaser if you had asked me a few years ago i would have agreed with you steel was not up to much. But in the past two years its changed greatly. Maybe Bob Brister does not rate steel as its a book the information is likely to out of date unless its been revised in the past 2 years. Steel cartridgers of today are nothing like those on the market a few years ago. As for shooting more geese than me , perhaps he has , but i have been shooting them for the past 42 years and I must admit I am ashamed my bag runs very well into thousands over that time. but the 1970s and 80 attitudes to shooting large numbers in a season were very different what they are rightly are today and now limit myself to 2-6 geese a day depending on where i shoot them. I have shot geese with every sort of shot from lead to hevi-shot and nowadays the majority are shot with steel. Shooting up to 50 yards 1 9\ 16s of BBB steel will put between one in 2 and one in 3 geese i shoot at in my game bag. The same average I had using lead. To a clay shooter that might sound a poor average , but ask any wildfowler who shoots in wind and rain , feet stuck in mud , with heavy clothes on its not a bad average. As for reading what you post , yes i do , but on a shooting forum it is reasonable to presume you are talking about swans being shot. A little more clarity needed perhaps , we are not mind readers. Edited April 5, 2010 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I thought that steel could only go through a 1/2 choke at the most not Turkey etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I thought that steel could only go through a 1/2 choke at the most not Turkey etc. These after market chokes have been specifically constructed to handle hard abrasive shot such as steel, hevi etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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