covey Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Hi everyone, I need your help, the tennat farmer on our shoot is looking into the e.l.s as with all govenment generated paperwork ancient greek is easier to understand, so while we wait for our local land agent to explain it i thought I'd see if any of you have had dealings with the scheme and your general thoughts on the crop choices also as the farmer is will be gettting a grant from the scheme how you sorted the payment to him Cheers Covey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Are you meaning the points available for the wild bird cover option? The farmer will probably qualify for the ELS scheme doing what he is already doing, without making dramatic changes to his cropping, it's not very demanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covey Posted June 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Are you meaning the points available for the wild bird cover option? The farmer will probably qualify for the ELS scheme doing what he is already doing, without making dramatic changes to his cropping, it's not very demanding. Thanks for reply Teal, Sorry did'nt explain he has qualified and will be planting some areas with wild bird cover, my shoot can have some input as to where they go and i was asking if anyone else has this as an option and how much they pay towards it. covey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Well based on enquiries I did with (non-grant assisted) maize cover, allowing for the subsidy it would probably about £100-200 an acre. Depends how reasonable the farmer is though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 In this case he may well not charge you for it, I believe some rules have been changed recently meaning farmers have to do more to gain the points required for the payment attached to the scheme. My mate is looking at areas to do the same on odds are they will be primarily areas that don't crop well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfarmerboy Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 on our scheme bird cover has to be specific crops allowed which does NOT include maize, and it can not be cultivated every year. it is either 2 or 3 years (cant remember), just what i remember reading on ours, may have changed or you may be in a different scheme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covey Posted July 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 thanks everyone. Farmer and I are having a sit down with land agent this coming week so things should get clearer. Farmer is really helpful so once we've been given the idiots guide to all this we can get things moving, its most important to me that we don't spoil a good relasonship with farmer over penny pinching and cost cutting by shoot owners if you know what i mean. Cheers everyone will keep you posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) ELS in theory should be benifical to your shoot. Less hedge cutting and uncultivated strips around the field margins can only help game birds. There are a couple of points you want to look out for though. You will not be allowed to drive on the conservation margins which might cause problems getting feed\water to some parts of the farm and in a very few cases the ELS adviser may attempt to place restrictions on the amount of shooting to take place , though this is more likely with HLS. I am in a 4 man Broadland marsh syndicate which has HLS and we are restricted to 12 days shooting a year , however this is primarly a very large duck shoot which we used to shoot every weekend , but now this is no longer possible and in reality has restricted us to 12 evening flights ( morning flights are a waste of time as this is a feeding area ) which is only 24 hours shooting a season. Edited July 9, 2010 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covey Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 ELS in theory should be benifical to your shoot. Less hedge cutting and uncultivated strips around the field margins can only help game birds. There are a couple of points you want to look out for though. You will not be allowed to drive on the conservation margins which might cause problems getting feed\water to some parts of the farm and in a very few cases the ELS adviser may attempt to place restrictions on the amount of shooting to take place , though this is more likely with HLS. I am in a 4 man Broadland marsh syndicate which has HLS and we are restricted to 12 days shooting a year , however this is primarly a very large duck shoot which we used to shoot every weekend , but now this is no longer possible and in reality has restricted us to 12 evening flights ( morning flights are a waste of time as this is a feeding area ) which is only 24 hours shooting a season. Thanks Anser2 The number of days will not be a problem as i only have to provide 4 or 5 days during the season, the duck flighting may be slightly more difficult as we start in Oct' till end of season so looks like i will be trying to find some extra duck flighting for the guns. Have had a meeting with land agent and tennant farmer and mostly the marginal strips and extra cover are going where they are of use to us. Thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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