antuk99 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Well not sure if i have done this right but here we have i think is a Jap shell casing all i know is its from my dads grandfather who was in the merchant navy then went onto submarines the diameter is approx 3" it has being used as a poker hold next to the fire place for years can any 1 give me any information on this i love history lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 very nice- love to see the shotgun that came out of Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) Well not sure if i have done this right but here we have i think is a Jap shell casing all i know is its from my dads grandfather who was in the merchant navy then went onto submarines the diameter is approx 3" it has being used as a poker hold next to the fire place for years can any 1 give me any information on this i love history lol It is an 80mm Japanese AA shell. Fired from a Type 3 AA gun. Looking closely at the writing it was made at the Nagora ordance works situated west of Tokyo circa 1943. The three notches on the in the center is the time delay fuse which was adjusted by a key worn around the battery commanders neck. Quite common but worth in the region of 100-150 quid. Edited July 30, 2010 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antuk99 Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 It is an 80mm Japanese AA shell. Fired from a Type 3 AA gun. Looking closely at the writing it was made at the Nagora ordance works situated west of Tokyo circa 1943. The three notches on the in the center is the time delay fuse which was adjusted by a key worn around the battery commanders neck. Quite common but worth in the region of 100-150 quid. Wow thanks unreal not bothered about the value but thanks for the info cheers Starlight32 you are a real star just wait till i tell my dad he wont have a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) Wow thanks unreal not bothered about the value but thanks for the info cheers Starlight32 you are a real star just wait till i tell my dad he wont have a clue At your service, my Japanese is rusty and had to take a second look. Nagora came came 'niagra' at first Edited July 30, 2010 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antuk99 Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 I just showed him your post he always thought it was a ww1 casing he saw the value said he wants them back now no i like history you cant buy things like this , to me its priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antuk99 Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Oh dear what have i started he has been in the depths of his wardrobe well my dads grandfather collected silk regiment emblems and his granny sowed them together what do you reakon starlight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 I just showed him your post he always thought it was a ww1 casing he saw the value said he wants them back now no i like history you cant buy things like this , to me its priceless tell him he can have them for £150 but only if he leaves them in his will to you. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 It is an 80mm Japanese AA shell. Fired from a Type 3 AA gun. Looking closely at the writing it was made at the Nagora ordance works situated west of Tokyo circa 1943. The three notches on the in the center is the time delay fuse which was adjusted by a key worn around the battery commanders neck. Quite common but worth in the region of 100-150 quid. Starlight it may be me being stupid, however; If that is a shell CASING the shell would be seperate, right? If so how can the 3 notches dial in the fuse lengh if theyre seperate to the shell and hence the explosives/fuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Starlight it may be me being stupid, however;If that is a shell CASING the shell would be seperate, right? If so how can the 3 notches dial in the fuse lengh if theyre seperate to the shell and hence the explosives/fuse? Not all shell fuses are set at the "nose" of the projectile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 But surley the fuse has got to leave with the projectile so how would a device like that set the fuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 A fuse can be set from the base of a shell. Only an impact or proximity fuse needs to be at the head of a projectile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Ah Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Starlight it may be me being stupid, however;If that is a shell CASING the shell would be seperate, right? If so how can the 3 notches dial in the fuse lengh if theyre seperate to the shell and hence the explosives/fuse? Becuase of the nature of its manufacture. Are you aquainted with aerial ordanance of that era? As the shell is incomplete you will will not see the understand the difference as you are no doubt used to seeing shells/fuses of Allied origin. The fuse you see pictured is what is known as friction delay and although it looks that way is in fact separate from the primer.The primer is separate from the fuse in this function. Strands of torpex covered wire extend through to the explosive core in the business end of the ammunition. Allied fuses were set on the nose cone in the same way and in fact simply used another form of delayed ignition. As you turn the dial the the strands shear which decrease (shorten the time burn) and the final altitude of detonation.All shells were set straight from the factory at the maximum range possible so you worked back form there. The Japanese were well behind the Allies when it came to Time and Proximity fuses of the day. The Japanese were using a similar fuse to that designed and used by the Union army during the American civil war known as a 'Borman' fuse, so in reliality its crudity becomes more apparent. Have a read up and you will see what I mean. It is also worth noting that small (3 to 6") Japanese naval ammunition of the day was normally all sparately charged with cordite up until late 1941. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 A fuse can be set from the base of a shell. Only an impact or proximity fuse needs to be at the head of a projectile. Indedd true, I think many are used to seeing ammunition in another form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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