30-6 Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I got all the shotguns, got FAC with air rifle + .22 rf on it (S410 xtra, but yet to buy the rf), but after selling my sub 12ft/lbs springers I'm finding I'm missing them, only yesterday a farmer asked me to cull some ferals from the farmyard buildings, which I don't want to do with the xtra being a FAC (shooting in the air). With me already having a PCP it is obvious to have another rather than a springer, for accuracy and already have a divers bottle, but which one. Don't mind having a single shot, narrowed it down to three :- S200 - cheap about £240 S400 - bit dearer about £310, but feels like a real gun ( I do like a carbine, shots per charge not important, but is a short PCP barrel as accurate as a standard barrel). Falcon FN19 - about £290 Speaking from experience of ownership or knowledge, which would you choose? All input appreciated good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 ok think you can safley put the falcon in the "unless i have to brackey" The S200 yep its cheap and you can get a S200 10 shot mag for around £60 so that makes it a multi shot rifle for under £320!!!!!! S400 what can we say about the best mid price rifle there is out there. At the end of the day though it is only personal choice between one and the other, they all shoot pretty much the same they are all just about as accurate as each other, some will sit n the shoulder comfy for one person and not good for another. As you already have the S410 extra you know what the quality is with the AA rifles, the S200 lacking slightly in this department but you can always buy the after market mods (mags, brass/stainless stell parts). All the best ROB PS i know someone who might be parting with a fully modded (stainless bolt, trigger and filler cap and fitted with the AA 10 shot mag + AA silencer) S200 for around £300 total cost was around £450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 A friend had a falcon, I thought it was a good rifle, liked the fact you could chamber a pellet without cocking it. Yes the air arms does have quality, but on another thread I was explaining that on the xtra I bought it brand new but could not zero it (pellets were hitting the silencer/shroud), sent it back to AA and they fitted a new barrel. Why did a brand new gun need a new barrel are they not tested? The gun was bought in Aug 05 but made in Nov 04, when I checked with AA they said this was acceptable as they "sat on the shelf". Another AA gun would seem obvious, but a liitle bit concerned about the quality control. Is a carbine barrel as accurate as a standard on a PCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 A friend had a falcon, I thought it was a good rifle, liked the fact you could chamber a pellet without cocking it. Yes the air arms does have quality, but on another thread I was explaining that on the xtra I bought it brand new but could not zero it (pellets were hitting the silencer/shroud), sent it back to AA and they fitted a new barrel. Why did a brand new gun need a new barrel are they not tested? The gun was bought in Aug 05 but made in Nov 04, when I checked with AA they said this was acceptable as they "sat on the shelf". Another AA gun would seem obvious, but a liitle bit concerned about the quality control. Is a carbine barrel as accurate as a standard on a PCP? You'll always get the Friday 4 o clock synmdrone ..............even with the rolls royce of makers . If you've lost confidence with AA then try the Falcon............My biggest regret was selling my Falcon Raptor MK II c/w Skeleton Walnut stock :blink: ............Superb it was as well ..............I just needed the money to fund another gun Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ratcatcher Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 hi m8, i have used all three, i would say for ferals around farm yard buildings, the s400, preferabley a .22 as its most probley close range, HTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidsalmon Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) I was considering getting a Fn19 when iwas looking for my first pcp and it came down to the FN19, AAS400K or Webley Raider. Managed to have a go with all of the rifles before making my mind up and the S400K came out at the top. It felt much more aesthetically pleasing, it was the lightest and i was consequently shooting better groups with it. Havent had any problems with it since i bought it 2 yrs ago. So i guess what im trying to say is go and try 'em all out if you can and it should help you decide. Or just go for the S400 Carbine (Walnut stock is also a nice extra) Cheers SS Edited January 23, 2006 by stupidsalmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 How much are you going to use it? If you have a cabinet full of goodies then you might not get the use out of it. If it is just for ferals then go for a second hand springer, not much of an investment and will always be ready to go. If you want a P.C.P then go for the S200. If you have money to "burn" then get the S410. The re-sale value will be better incase circumstances change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24joy Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Go along with snakebite, also same fill adaptor on the bottle if both AA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Stupid Salmon I really like the S400K, but have been told as far as PCP's go shorter barrels are not as accurate as the standard barrel length, but always seem to read excellent reports on the carbine barreled guns. Are carbines less accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Are carbines less accurate? No. If I remember correctly the answer I was given when I asked the same question when buying my HW57 was.................. "It takes 14 revolutions of the pellet in the barrel to stabalise sufficiently. Any more will not have any effect on the accuracy" However there are people on here infinatley more qualified to reinforce this point and do it a lot more gracefully :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Are carbines less accurate? quick answer is NO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN ACCRACY! the only difference a carbine makes on a PCP is the lesser number of shots over the rifle version. A TX200HC has a barrel length of 7.5" which is the same as the length barrel on the S10 carbine (i think). I have seen a custom made rapid with a 7.5" barrel and there was nothing wrong with that either! A shorter barrel is less efficiant at produsing the power, therefore more air is needed to get the pellet up to speed, the rifleing only needs a minimum of 7" to do its job after that and extra length is redundant. (this last statment i could be totay wrong about, but the accuracy WILL NOT BE EFFECTED AT ALL! mearly the number of shots) ROB :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bindi Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 My first pcp was an AA S200 .22 and i thought it was great, very light, short and very useable. I did think it lacked a 'real gun' feel though and after 18 months swapped to a AA 400k which offered all the benefits of the s200 but felt and looked a lot better and had the capacity for more shots per charge. I didn't go for the more expensive AA 410 (ten shot) as the loading mech on the AA guns is so nice that loading is quick anyway, so i save my money and had the silencer fitted and got some scope mounts. In single shot format it also prevents you from rushing a shot, which is partic important if you are shooting field target, and if you are out in the field, then i would like to think that the first shot gets it, with any second shot having some consideration to backdrop etc before releasing the trigger. In sumary the S200 is great, but not as sturdy as the AA400 The AA400 is quick to load in single shot format I have had the AA400 for a couple of years now, and for the first time im my life am not looking for a replacement, which is probably the best testament to the gun, and probably explains why they have sold so many. if i do anything now, it might be to get a custom stock made. I know that there are those out there who prefer the 10 shot, its all down to personal preference, but if you have a 410 already then a 400 or another 410 are the obvious choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bindi Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 (edited) Stupid Salmon I really like the S400K, but have been told as far as PCP's go shorter barrels are not as accurate as the standard barrel length, but always seem to read excellent reports on the carbine barreled guns. Are carbines less accurate? NO, carbines are still accurate. Now then, lets have a little look at barrell length. Compare your old springers from HW35 (long barrell) to Theoben carbine (v short barrell) and both extremely accurate and powerful. Now get your tape measure out and measure the distance from the receiver to the muzzle on an AA410 carbine. Guess what, its longer than those found on any springer!!! With the PCPs the longer barrell versions are usually just to facilitate a larger cyclinder for more shots or fac rated energy. Its a state of mind, just because it looks like a short gun, but the barrell doesn't start half way down the gun (like it does on a springer) Respectable manufacturers wouldn't make guns that were inaccurate, because they get bad press and wouldn't sell. The number of turns (revolutions) a bullet/pellet makes in a rifled barrell becomes important when you consider the weight/grain of the bullet/pellet and how much energy there is at the muzzle. Its not something we should get too worried about, particularly if you are shooting well. Edited January 25, 2006 by bindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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