diesel fuel

[vmobiler1]

Yes you do - my pocket was extremely light after being road fuel tested - you get done for road fuel tax and VAT evasion if you havent prepaid your tax - and 2500L would only last me 4 months at best.

 

 

I wasn`t asking fella I am telling you, You were obviously either using it for none PERSONAL use or you were using something like red diesel as you can use 2500l of veg oil/bio for PERSONAL use per year.

 

Not sure how you get done for VAT evasion on food product?? You don`t pay VAT on food- veg oil is a food product/waste product! Also if you were to pay road fuel tax on making bio/veg oil it would still work out far cheaper then paying £1.25 per litre.

 

Someone was obviously doin something very wrong!

 

Hope this helps

 

ATB

V

[masterzone2]

I looked in to the whole bio-diesel/veggie thing

other than (at the time) not being worth the cost

(at the time when diesel went down to about 94p)

There IS the issue with H.M. customs and revenue

you DO need to declare you are using this fuel

and they told me it was 3500 litres (but check with them as this may have changed)

they will then give you a tax disc like permit to afix to your car saying you are legal to use this

fuel.

After the allowance you need to pay the tax on each litre used.

But how would they know if you used 50 or 5000 litres.

[docholiday]

I have a couple of friends who work in the labs at the local refinery (Fawley) To a man they all refuse to use the supermarket fuels.

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[vmobiler1]

I looked in to the whole bio-diesel/veggie thing

other than (at the time) not being worth the cost

(at the time when diesel went down to about 94p)

There IS the issue with H.M. customs and revenue

you DO need to declare you are using this fuel

and they told me it was 3500 litres (but check with them as this may have changed)

they will then give you a tax disc like permit to afix to your car saying you are legal to use this

fuel.

After the allowance you need to pay the tax on each litre used.

But how would they know if you used 50 or 5000 litres.

 

This is my point. . . You can used under 2500l for PERSONAL use! without being dipped and fined.

 

There is obviously more to the story than just using bio/veg oil being dipped and fined, as you say how would they know how much you have used?

 

Again even at 94p I could make a big saving on bio and an killing on SVO.

[masterzone2]

Hang something I do understand here

SOME Diesel engine namely those post 2000 will not accept this fuel that well

I am also informed by many sources that EFI diesels will not run correctly and damage will be caused

you really need an old diesel.

Then it runs into how you fuel the engine best method seams$ to be a twin tank system

getting it warmed up with diesel then switching over.

Of course you can directly mix the two.

But things have advanced since I last looked into it I saw a product on e-bay that

warms up the fuel via glows plug then shuts down at a certain temp and the hot pipe from the engines cooling system takes over to

warm up the fuel.

It all about your engine and how fussy you are with it.

[vmobiler1]

Hang something I do understand here

SOME Diesel engine namely those post 2000 will not accept this fuel that well

I am also informed by many sources that EFI diesels will not run correctly and damage will be caused

you really need an old diesel.

Then it runs into how you fuel the engine best method seams$ to be a twin tank system

getting it warmed up with diesel then switching over.

Of course you can directly mix the two.

But things have advanced since I last looked into it I saw a product on e-bay that

warms up the fuel via glows plug then shuts down at a certain temp and the hot pipe from the engines cooling system takes over to

warm up the fuel.

It all about your engine and how fussy you are with it.

 

 

This depends on the fuel pump/injection system. Some pumps will take svo others will not like it at all.

 

The cheap heat exchangers your talking about from ebay or just cheap rubbish as the fuel between the heat exchanger and the pump/engine is cold on start up, the proper way is to twin tank it.

 

Bosch pumps are ok but lucas ones will give up on you.

 

I know people that have used svo on L/R without twin tanks, I would look into it before I put it in any of my vehicle if I were you.

 

I have been running veg oil for several years in several vehicles and now have started using/making Bio fuel too.

[masterzone2]

One thing I have found from running Diesels Is that they so much better when the

air feeding it is as cold as possible I.E. Intercooled or winter time

And the Diesel Is warmed up a fraction before it reaches the combustion chamber

I.E. summer time Or a pre heating unit.

From all that I put together I found unless you were doing regular long distance

driving Its pointless as by the time the engine has warmed up and switched over

the journey has finished.

So for then sort of driving I do such conversion would not be worth it.

[vmobiler1]

One thing I have found from running Diesels Is that they so much better when the

air feeding it is as cold as possible I.E. Intercooled or winter time

And the Diesel Is warmed up a fraction before it reaches the combustion chamber

I.E. summer time Or a pre heating unit.

From all that I put together I found unless you were doing regular long distance

driving Its pointless as by the time the engine has warmed up and switched over

the journey has finished.

So for then sort of driving I do such conversion would not be worth it.

 

 

Thats right if you are doin a short trip it is not worth it, but if you are going to be using your vehicle several times in the same day you would not need to keep changing back and forth from diesel to veg. It would only need say 1mile in the morning and then again in the evening to be run on diesel.

 

I would still do a 5-6mile journey on veg as it would still save plenty of money in the long term and use very little expensive diesel.

[fruitloop]

to run bio diesl you need to proses it by removeing the glycerine and reduse the water content in the veg oil it is the natural sugars that gunk the pump and injectors up on the older engins but ir prosesed corectly all engins will run very well on it. you need to get or make a bio diesl prosesing plant wich heats up th oil and drys it off and with methonol seperates the natral sugar in the form of gliserin then all you have to do is tap off the glycerine and bio diesel sell the glycerine.or give it away

[vmobiler1]

to run bio diesl you need to proses it by removeing the glycerine and reduse the water content in the veg oil it is the natural sugars that gunk the pump and injectors up on the older engins but ir prosesed corectly all engins will run very well on it. you need to get or make a bio diesl prosesing plant wich heats up th oil and drys it off and with methonol seperates the natral sugar in the form of gliserin then all you have to do is tap off the glycerine and bio diesel sell the glycerine.or give it away

 

 

Your talking about two very different processes, you can use either new oil or wvo new shouldnt have any water content and wvo should be filtered and dewatered before even thinking about putting it near your vehicle!!

 

Not sure what you mean by

 

"in the veg oil it is the natural sugars that gunk the pump and injectors up on the older engins"

 

Are you just putting wvo in your tank without filtering it?

 

How long would this take to happen??

 

It will not happen if your using svo and you have done your research, like most thing little knowledge is dangerous!!!

[fruitloop]

http://www.biodiesel-fuel.co.uk/how-to-make-biodiesel/ on some engins e.g. the old landrover 2.25 wich has a cav pump the pump uses the fuel as a lubricant but with svo or just filterd wvo the glycerine (liquid sugar)is still in there and so is the water . whre some of the newer engins wich has the bosh pump the pump barings are lubed by the engin oil so there is no issue with it damageing them but still eventually bulds up. the solidified fats and sugar block the pump unless you put cleen diesel in regually to cleen out the system.its not the age of the engine but what type of injector pump it has on it on average older lumps have a cav pump and newer ones have bosh but there is always exceptions to that. i will have to get a photo of a frends 200tdi engine that was run on new svo for six months straight and no cycling of diesel needles to say 3 cav injector pumps 8 injectors and a replacement block later he starterd lisening to some advice.as you say little knowledge is dangerous!!! Edited December 15, 2010 by fruitloop

[Paul223]

http://www.biodiesel-fuel.co.uk/how-to-make-biodiesel/ on some engins e.g. the old landrover 2.25 wich has a cav pump the pump uses the fuel as a lubricant but with svo or just filterd wvo the glycerine (liquid sugar)is still in there and so is the water . whre some of the newer engins wich has the bosh pump the pump barings are lubed by the engin oil so there is no issue with it damageing them but still eventually bulds up. the solidified fats and sugar block the pump unless you put cleen diesel in regually to cleen out the system.its not the age of the engine but what type of injector pump it has on it on average older lumps have a cav pump and newer ones have bosh but there is always exceptions to that. i will have to get a photo of a frends 200tdi engine that was run on new svo for six months straight and no cycling of diesel needles to say 3 cav injector pumps 8 injectors and a replacement block later he starterd lisening to some advice.as you say little knowledge is dangerous!!!

What a load of tosh

[fruitloop]

As I told my frend it's yor engine!!!

[vmobiler1]

What a load of tosh

 

 

 

I kept getting told I would ruin my engine I would, ruin my injectors. . . all by people who knew someone or had been told. . .

 

 

But I had already done the leg work and looked into it, researched it and my L200 with 130k on the clock with over 80k on wvo twin tank says it works with no new engine or fuel injection parts needed just the normal service parts filters belts etc

 

Work the saving out if you want lads 80k miles on fuel that at most expensive cost me 25ppl (now 35ppl)

 

As some people above have but not worth the hassle/trouble for little saving

[fruitloop]

Think back to biology at school all plants have natural sugar in them where we and animals get energy from so if you press the oil out of the seeds where dose it go ?or do you think that the factory where it is produced remove it!

[vmobiler1]

Think back to biology at school all plants have natural sugar in them where we and animals get energy from so if you press the oil out of the seeds where dose it go ?or do you think that the factory where it is produced remove it!

 

 

I am not questioning that, but if your mate had looked into what he was doin and maybe done some research and put some diesel in with it as a mix or ran the engine on diesel every now and the or maybe done it properly and put a twin tank on it, it would have been fine . . . Yes???

 

 

If No, why is my truck and lots of others still running fine on wvo??

 

Little knowledge!

[fruitloop]

That is right if you read my post that is what was I was saying about Not cycling between svo and diesel . And the bosh pump will run quite happy on it as it lubes it from engin oil not the fuel like with cav pumps

[fruitloop]

If you look at the l200 as a guess the pump is a bosh pump? Have a look and think at what I have posted

[fruitloop]

If the svo and wvo is processed correctly in to bio diesel you donot need to put petroleum diesel in or mix it at all it will run all day no problems

[fruitloop]

Next yr going to tell me that a beef and tomato pot noodle has got beef t in it Lol

Edited December 15, 2010 by fruitloop

[vmobiler1]

If the svo and wvo is processed correctly in to bio diesel you donot need to put petroleum diesel in or mix it at all it will run all day no problems

 

 

You would not get these problems if you knew what you were doin my friend!

 

If you want to run svo you would need some diesel in it to lube the pump and de gunge it as this is what you (or your friend) was having trouble with, I didn`t mention mixing bio with diesel if you read my post properly.

 

I do think you would be much better reading up on my posts and maybe reading up on svo/wvo before you start or carry on trying to use it. . . this is for your own good as little knowledge is dangerous my friend.

[vmobiler1]

Next yr going to tell me that a beef and tomato pot noodle has got beef t in it Lol

 

 

 

Do you REALLY think that is BEEF in a pot noodle

 

As I suspected you are either forign or p!ssed, your not really grasping the concept are you?

 

I see after going back and re reading the post you have caught up now!!!

 

If you need any advice please feel free to ask and I will assist you.

 

ATB

 

V

Edited December 15, 2010 by vmobiler1

[fruitloop]

If using a heat exchanger to heat the oil up and in to vapors you will find that is a tvo systemAnd that uses paraffin

[fruitloop]

If using a heat exchanger to heat the oil up and in to vapors you will find that is a tvo systemAnd that uses paraffin

It was used on tractors .tractor vaporizing oil

[Paul223]

later when i have a bit more time i'll give a indepth answer

 

but i agree you must be ******