Voluntary Restraint in shooting wildfowl and waders

[TJ91]

the ban hasnt come about so if they are doing alot of damage get out now and sort a few

[MC]

the ban hasnt come about so if they are doing alot of damage get out now and sort a few

 

 

Obviously they aren't as he has plenty of time to whinge about it on here.

[al4x]

I still want to know what this license is that over rides the ban if its not the OGL

[MC]

I still want to know what this license is that over rides the ban if its not the OGL

 

 

Take a look at your own post no 16,

 

Shooting cormaorants and herons

[CharlieT]

Well of course it has not been implemented, the ban was never enforced. BASC called for shooter to exercise restaint while shooting.

 

As you have quite rightly put the OGL can be modified or revoked at anytime. One of those times would be when the ACT OF PARLIAMENT prevents the shooting on species named on a list due to severe weather.

 

So as you say "There are non so blind as those that cannot see"

 

 

Please read my post.........................I said should not has been.

[MC]

Please read my post.........................I said should not has been.

 

 

You should re read your post, so you have a few canadas which you allow to use your land, eat your crops and drink at your lakes. And as it gets colder and they are more dependant upon feeding wherever they can you decide to "Do something about them".

 

Why not just discourage the few so the many don't arrive?

[MC]

After a conversation with natural england Canada Geese can be shot under the terms of the OGL even if the cold weather ban is in place. Non toxic shot is also a must, as is demonstrating that all other non lethal methods have been exercised.

 

So I was wrong in my argument however I stand by my views that they should left alone as they will also be struggling for food.

 

I sincerely hope that Natural England will read these views and think about the status of Canada Geese and the OGL.

I certainly will be e mailling them to let them know.

Edited December 16, 2010 by MC

[poontang]

 

I sincerely hope that Natural England will read these views and think about the status of Canada Geese and the OGL.

 

+1

[al4x]

After a conversation with natural england Canada Geese can be shot under the terms of the OGL even if the cold weather ban is in place. Non toxic shot is also a must, as is demonstrating that all other non lethal methods have been exercised.

 

So I was wrong in my argument however I stand by my views that they should left alone as they will also be struggling for food.

 

I sincerely hope that Natural England will read these views and think about the status of Canada Geese and the OGL.

I certainly will be e mailling them to let them know.

 

 

I'm sure they'll take it on board.

 

They are on there for a reason and when you have to use the license properly then it is fine. Facts are in places they are a nuisance and an alien species so though not something to persecute it allows control where needed. Its not something for recreational shooters to abuse as thats not the way it was intended.

 

p.s now I know what that license was

[CharlieT]

MC

 

I can't believe you, now you critisise me for letting a few bide on my land after accusing me of shooting anything that moves.

 

You damn me for not shooting them and you damn me for doing so.

 

However should you be interested I append below the reply I have just received from NE and a most sensible reply it is.

 

 

 

Dear Mr xxxxx,

 

 

 

Your query about a statutory suspension on wildfowling and shooting under the general licences was passed to me for a response. Recent legal advice received by Natural England concluded that a ‘severe weather order’ made under section 2(6) of the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 to effectively close the ‘open season’ for a period of up to two weeks does not supersede licences issued under section 16 for those species listed under Schedule 2 Part 1 (quarry birds). In other words, you can still shoot e.g. Canada Geese to protect crops even if statutory suspension (a ‘ban’) was in force.

 

 

 

However, whilst this is true at present, in the interests of attaining a more consistent and conscientious approach to wildfowl already suffering from prolonged periods of severe cold weather, Natural England is currently investigating the idea of adding a condition to some of its general licences, to restrict their use to complement a ‘severe weather order’, possibly from 2011.

 

 

 

Although Scotland and Northern Ireland have introduced ‘severe weather orders’ this year, despite three consecutive cold winters, the last occurrence in England/ Wales was many years ago, so if a condition was added to the general licences, it is expected to rarely come into effect.

 

 

 

All authorised persons that use our general licences should, in any case, check our website for changes, which are usually introduced at the start of a year. Link: http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/licences/generallicences.aspx

 

 

 

During a phase of ‘voluntary restraint’, licensed action is not prohibited, but licensees are asked to use common sense and to minimise disturbance to birds that may already be suffering as a result of the cold. With the onset of another period of cold weater and only a relatively short thaw, we are still asking licensees to respect ‘voluntary restraint’.

 

 

 

Thank you for your query.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Ivan Lakin

Wildlife Management Adviser

Regulatory Service

Natural England