Verminator 66 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 I am know on my 3rd bullet connector had a fox coming in last night and light went out wish they would sort this out as soon, as meanwhile its back to the old sealed lead acid batt heavy but reliable. yes had the same prob's with mine and the bloody way they do there dimmer switch they are **** as well the connectors you can get did buy a few £1.25 each but like a lot of you say not the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundaybain Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 yes had the same prob's with mine and the bloody way they do there dimmer switch they are **** as well the connectors you can get did buy a few £1.25 each but like a lot of you say not the point where did you get them at that price i paid £4.95 for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace32 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 deben are my pet hate,what a **** miserable bunch of robbing sarcastic *******,s they are,gear is vastly over priced,under tested,if at all,wish some one else would make like wise product,s,they would close deben down in a week,total bunch of ******,s,guess you can see ive dealt with them before,they must of had thousands of complaints,but do nothing to rectify,the problem,or improve their gear,but they are quick to up their prices,,ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Bopper Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Guys. My lovely wife has nicked my Sniper Systems 600 lamp!!! LOL So i was thinking of buying a Deben Tactical 400 to replace it. Am I asking for problems with this kit? What do you think? Cheers Hopper Bopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Sorry lads but I think some of you need to step onto planet reality. Shooting is a minority market, and lamping is only a very small part of that minority market, so high tooling investment is not feasible. The moulded plugs are not only a Deben item as I have seen them on kiddies electric cars, so I suspect they bought in to patented tooling for probably quite a lot of money. Picture the procedure if you will: wiring is stripped to the required depth, terminals crimped onto the ends of the wires, terminals with wires inserted into one half of an injection moulding tool that is sealed round the edges after allowing for the flexible grommet, mould closes over the assembly making a cavity that will be filled with rubber, rubber is injected around the wires and crimped terminals. Machine opens and the operator withdraws the finished end. Perhaps someone could explain how to make a mould that will allow the wires to be presented to one half of the tool while the other half closes over it but somehow sliding along the figure of eight cable section. Then when the moulding is done how the mouded end can be removed given it is now moulded into one half of the tool. The better solutions to my way of thinking is to modify the plastic end of the battery - or supply it with a fly lead which has the moulded end on. But then again some people like to hate Deben anyway. I hate people smoking but I don't spit my dummy out about it. Lastly, noboby forces us to buy their products - if anyone can do it better why not start your own minority market business. Deben have posted on this forum so perhaps those that want a moan can PM them. Edited October 2, 2011 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Sorry lads but I think some of you need to step onto planet reality. Shooting is a minority market, and lamping is only a very small part of that minority market, so high tooling investment is not feasible. The moulded plugs are not only a Deben item as I have seen them on kiddies electric cars, so I suspect they bought in to patented tooling for probably quite a lot of money. Picture the procedure if you will: wiring is stripped to the required depth, terminals crimped onto the ends of the wires, terminals with wires inserted into one half of an injection moulding tool that is sealed round the edges after allowing for the flexible grommet, mould closes over the assembly making a cavity that will be filled with rubber, rubber is injected around the wires and crimped terminals. Machine opens and the operator withdraws the finished end. Perhaps someone could explain how to make a mould that will allow the wires to be presented to one half of the tool while the other half closes over it but somehow sliding along the figure of eight cable section. Then when the moulding is done how the mouded end can be removed given it is now moulded into one half of the tool. The better solutions to my way of thinking is to modify the plastic end of the battery - or supply it with a fly lead which has the moulded end on. But then again some people like to hate Deben anyway. I hate people smoking but I don't spit my dummy out about it. Lastly, noboby forces us to buy their products - if anyone can do it better why not start your own minority market business. Deben have posted on this forum so perhaps those that want a moan can PM them. you are indeed correct - the item is called an 'SAE plug' and was used a lot in automotive wiring 15-20 years ago; the issue i (and by all accounts a few others) is that this plug performs badly in this application - on most of the deben leads / wiring looms its possible to cut these off and hardwire to prevent this problem - but this is not so on the battery; which i think is shoddy. it wont take long for someone else to start selling lithium lamping batteries with a better connection - and deben will lose some considerable market share. ps - i did try and tell deben ; but was treated as if i was the only person who thought the plugs were naff - hence the original post Edited October 2, 2011 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundaybain Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) So we just have to keep buying new connectors every time they break, did they field test these batteries can you tell me where Deben posted on this forum please Edited October 2, 2011 by sundaybain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Here is the member search result but I think the topics got lost during the upgrade or some such software glytch. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/user/3391-deben/ It was relevant to a thread I had running about their 'dimmer switch - which turned out to be much more than just a mere dimmer. I'm sure that if there was a viable demand for such a plug one of the big players like Maplin, Rs etc would have it listed, truth is we are an almost unique niche market so will have to take what is available or improvise. Would it be too much trouble to fold it over the edge and wrap some tape or a strong laggy band around it to constrain it? These might be able to help. http://www.pmbl.co.uk/Lithium_Ion.aspx Or swap the plugs a bit - http://clulite.cluson.co.uk/lithium-ion-battery-packs/378-12volt-92amp-liion-battery-pack.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) GOOD NEWS!! i found out today that Deben have just started producing a right angle plug to use with the lithium battery £4.95 each. i will post some pics up when mine gets here.. all is (or will be if it works!) forgiven Deben Edited October 3, 2011 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Blimey - good result then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundaybain Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 GOOD NEWS!! i found out today that Deben have just started producing a right angle plug to use with the lithium battery £4.95 each. i will post some pics up when mine gets here.. all is (or will be if it works!) forgiven Deben YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Great news and on my birthday as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Just a thought... With the amount of money I've spent on lamping kits, switches, dimmers, battery packs, bulbs and filters etc etc, to say nothing of postage costs sending things back to Deben, I could've bought night vision by now...... Lesson learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 here it is ; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundaybain Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 here it is ; Nice one mate just ordered mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Where did you get it from,was it Deben direct and how much please ? Sorry,just seen the previous posts should have read the posts properly first Edited October 4, 2011 by barney 66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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