BADFEET Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Its deffinately fallow as we only have fallow and muntjack in this area No you do have roe as well and sometimes in fairly big groups, but 90% of the time they will just be a couple as all the rest of the essex chaps say its almost 100% that they were fallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 They have fallow in Bucks as close as 10 miles away from here but there are none, not one, anywhere closer. Too true I stalk on an estate with a very large heard of fallow but 10 miles from my house but dont know of any any closer and then muntjac have been spotted as close as 4 miles but not have ventured on yet but, I hope, given time they'll both be on the farm soon. The problem we have with the fallow is that when they leave the estates they are safe on the either get hit so hard by stalkers or poached before they can expand. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Not long got back from stalking in Essex this evening, where several Roe were seen by another stalker. They are there No matter out with a chap blasting deer in the next few weeks in North Essex who says there are Roe there aswell. There most certainly are Roe in Essex (North, South, East and West), just not in any great numbers as elsewhere in the country. North Essex has quite a number though dependant on where you are. What I'm not understanding is why people disbelieve that this could (and does)actually happen. I stand to be corrected by MC, but I do believe a few years back when I was over on West Mersea that one of the guys MC knows at the BL rifle club stated that a Muntjac had been seen on the Island. Anyone who knows the Island, knows there's only two ways on there, one by the Causeway, and the other by swimming. Not exactly deer inducing pathways either of them. So why not Roe in Essex near Chelmsford for which there is miles of countryside corridors to enable them to get there and stay there? There's Red, Sika, Fallow, Roe, CWD and Muntjac in Suffolk and Norfolk and certain parts of Cambs have all these too. Does Epping Forest (although not as big as it once was) not have the area to hold Roe as well as Fallow and Muntjac, and is that not that far from Chelmsford (In Deer travelling terms)? I only ask because the BDS stated that there were no Roe on my permissions and yet with another member off here, a fine Buck was seen and watched whilst out early evening rabbiting. Seen since then as well, so can't be a rogue. Can it?? SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 SS the main reason for the query was said deer were spotted in a herd of 15 animals together. Hence it being unlikely to be Roe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 SS the main reason for the query was said deer were spotted in a herd of 15 animals together. Hence it being unlikely to be Roe al4x I must admit to never seeing large groups of Roe myself,(6-7 being the biggest group I regularly saw every morning on the field at the bottom of the Garden), but there are those so-called "Specialist"/"Professional" deer Books that also state that Roe are solitary and we all know that just isn't the case all of the time. To give you an idea, there is a particular area in Suffolk that is reknowned for large medal head Roe. These are taken every year without fail, and despite the numbers shot each year, the number seems to rarely differ from year to year. Is this a Deer "mecca"?? Groups of 10+ have been seen at certain times of the year. It could just be the Gene pool, or the mineral's found in the area, outlying influences, abundancy of available foodstuff?? I'll grant you that to me it does seem like the deer in the original question are indeed Fallow, but until photographic proof is given, no one other than the person there at the time can truly be sure what they were, other than it was safe to say that they were DEER! I just love the way people assume that it can't be Roe, because they've never seen them there, never shot one there and don't know anyone who has seen or shot one in the area either. There are one or two areas in suffolk where CWD have been spotted, much lower down the county (In and around the North side of the River Orwell) than previously thought was the case. So they're not far off Essex, so perhaps in a few years, these may have travelled that bit further and be in Essex? Who knows?? Same as wallabys out near Southwold/Dunwich. SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Richie, There are definitely Roe in and around Sudbury. Clare, Cavendish, Pentlow and the Belchamps all have a good size herd of Fallow, but also Roe and Muntjac. SS Thanks very much for your decent reply. It has been an education, where I live and the local area there hasn't been any seen in years. I have heard on occassions about deer swimming across decent expanses of water especially Roe and Sika. The Muntjac I have seen in the next road to mine in the middle of a small town. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 al4x I must admit to never seeing large groups of Roe myself,(6-7 being the biggest group I regularly saw every morning on the field at the bottom of the Garden), but there are those so-called "Specialist"/"Professional" deer Books that also state that Roe are solitary and we all know that just isn't the case all of the time. To give you an idea, there is a particular area in Suffolk that is reknowned for large medal head Roe. These are taken every year without fail, and despite the numbers shot each year, the number seems to rarely differ from year to year. Is this a Deer "mecca"?? Groups of 10+ have been seen at certain times of the year. It could just be the Gene pool, or the mineral's found in the area, outlying influences, abundancy of available foodstuff?? I'll grant you that to me it does seem like the deer in the original question are indeed Fallow, but until photographic proof is given, no one other than the person there at the time can truly be sure what they were, other than it was safe to say that they were DEER! I just love the way people assume that it can't be Roe, because they've never seen them there, never shot one there and don't know anyone who has seen or shot one in the area either. There are one or two areas in suffolk where CWD have been spotted, much lower down the county (In and around the North side of the River Orwell) than previously thought was the case. So they're not far off Essex, so perhaps in a few years, these may have travelled that bit further and be in Essex? Who knows?? Same as wallabys out near Southwold/Dunwich. SS Hi, The area where the OP was is know for large groups of Fallow, it would have been very surprising that a large group of Roe had moved into the area, possible but knowing the area there are lots of fallow there. Certainly possible for deer to move around, always found CWD to follow waterways, they are very common in Norfolk and have taken a possible silver medal before, I measured it, not one to send them away to be measured hence the word possible. Funny thing is I have seen very few does, mainly bucks. Thanks for the contribution to the thread. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 And if there was such a lrge group of deer in chelmsford atleast one of us local boys would have heard about it as the shooting world is a small one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Still 'LOLing' at this thread. It was the 'large group' and 'dark back' that was the give away way back when it all started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Based on that description and the location, if you had to call it, you would call it "Fallow". Don't let that stop the contrary from generating another dozen pages about how it 'could' be Roe. They 'could' be absolutely anything but based on what is most probable, it is most probable that they are fallow. Let the pointless discussion and hypothesizing continue EDIT Oh, and Richie, don't get all prickly because it gets suggested that asking for the location details of someone's stalking permission is not the done thing. Wind your neck in. Mungler, Long time no speak. I agree it does sound more like fallow and indeed said so previously, but as the only one who was there, only Taxidriver truly knows what he saw (don't forget he asked for advice on what species in the first instance), none of us can be sure until Taxidriver gets pics. On the permission thing, certain individuals :yp: don't care whether you tell them or not, they still "try" to take it away, but fail miserably SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 only Taxidriver truly knows what he saw and there we have the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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