Nildes Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed > >a crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards > >are not something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for > >our Passport and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different > to > >that. What you have not been told is the full scope of this proposed > >ID Card, and what it will mean to you personally. > > > >The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It > >will be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity > >Register)., where all of your personal details will be stored. This > >will include the unique number that will be issued to you, your > >fingerprints, a scan of the back of your eye, and your photograph. > >Your name, address and date of birth will also obviously be stored > >there. There will be spaces on this database for your religion, > >residence status, and many other private and personal facts about you. > >There is unlimited space for every other details of your life on the > >NIR database, which can be expanded by the Government with or without > >further Acts of Parliament. > > > >By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you > >would be wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used > >to check your identity against your entry in the register in real > time, > >whenever you present it to 'prove who you are'. > > > >Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every > >pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much > >like the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your > >card can be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, > a > >record is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was > >presented. This means for example, that there will be a government > >record of every time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of Nat > >West, who now demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have > to > >prove that you are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record > made > >at the NIR. Restaurants and off licenses > >will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that > >they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the > >access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution. > > > >Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. > >If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for > >a swipe. If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card, > >or a supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to > >present your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a > >telephone line or a mobile phone or an internet account. > > > >Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed > >databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just > >as every other business will be. This means that each of these > >entities will be able to store your unique number in their database, > >and place all your travel, phone records, driving activities and > >detailed shopping habits under your unique NIR number. > > > >These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the size of > >your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or illegally. > >It will then be possible for a non governmental entity to create a > >detailed dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government > >will have clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will > >have a complete record of all your movements, from how much and when > >you withdraw from your bank account to what medications you are > taking, > >down to the level of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a > >single unique number in a central database. > > > >This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your > >name and face. > > > >Most people do not know that this is the true character and scope of > >the proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will work are > >explained to them, they quickly change from being ambivalent towards > >it. > > > >The Government is going to compel you to enter your details into the > >NIR and to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain > or > >renew your passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints > >taken and your eyes scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued > >to you wether you want one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted > >and eye scanned, you will not be able to get a passport. Your ID > Card > >will, just like your passport, not be your property. The Home > >Secretary will have the right to revoke or suspend your ID at any > time, > >meaning that you will not be able to withdraw money from your Bank > >Account, for example, or do anything that > >requires you to present your government issued ID Card. > > > >The arguments that have been put forwarded in favor of ID Cards can be > >easily disproved. ID Cards will not stop terrorists; every Spaniard > >has a compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers. ID Cards will not > >'eliminate benefit fraud', which in any case, is small compared to the > >astronomical cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions > >according to the LSE. This scheme exists solely to exert total > >surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen, and > it > >will line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer > >systems at the expense of your freedom, privacy and money. > > > >If you did not know the full scope of the proposed ID Card Scheme > >before and you are as unsettled as I am at what it really means to > you, > >to this country and its way of life, I urge you to email or photocopy > >this and give it to your friends and colleagues. The Bill has > >proceeded to this stage due to the lack of accurate and complete > >information on this proposal being made public. Hand to hand, we can > >inform the entire nation if everyone who receives this passes it on. > >Please make sure you do this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 (edited) I heard the House of Lords denied the bill? It was on the News the Lords had thrown it out meaning you won't be forced into getting an ID card when you renew your passport. What pees ME off is ALL those people who died in the wars for freedom of this little rock and now this to55pot BLAIR wants to hand it on a dish to Brussels and bring us under a regime not unlike the dictatorship they spoke against in the 70s and 80s over in Russia. :< They will be telling us what flavour crisps we can eat to controling our markets I can just see myself in a Black and white movie walking to the shop past a CHECKPOINT with barrier down. Where you off to? The shop for some groceries! Papers! Then i remember i left em at home Here is me running for my life while the gestapo are chasing me. Ok maybe over the top but then so is this damn ID card buisness :< LG Edited March 13, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 To be honest, I think that's a bit of scaremongering. I cant see them coming in anyway, it's bad enough now trying to get people to produce driving licences. Will there be a power of arrest for failing to produce an ID card, or for not having one? An awful lot of what we do is already "logged" somewhere and that's before we even mention CCTV P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andystone Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 i simply dont wont one, and i refuse to have one even if it means court action etc etc. i already have passport and driving license...enoughs enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Eh? I tell you something, they will NEVER force all of us to have one. Revolution is near If it passes, welcome to the future.. there will be plenty more of that ****, probably we will end up having 'credits' on a card swipe system, no money to avoid crime.. Thats the kind of thing that happens when there are too many people on one world, and to many bad leaders.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nildes Posted March 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 FWIW There was an item on the news at lunchtime saying that the police were already using the Oyster Card database to track the movements of criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 (edited) All criminals are written on the database now.. and everytime they go to an airport or similar all the details pop up and are logged. You can run.. but you cant hide Edited March 13, 2006 by Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nildes Posted March 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Presumably those are the criminals who aren't criminal enough to dodge paying the fares? So what can a good con do? Steal someon'es ID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 It's not the everyday use of these cards that worries me it's what'll happen the day Mr Bliar or one of his cronies get it into their heads that they can become king, emperor, dictator or self styled capo di tuti capo. Goodbye free speech and hello gulags. Hey Ireland could become the new Guantanamo (sorry Irish) When everything's chipped & plastic (including the cash in your pocket) they've got you right where they want you...by the g****** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepe Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 I wouldn't get too stressed about it. They already hold most of all that information anyway; they are just putting it in a different format. I think we are going to have to jump through the hoop. They seem to be able to do what they want whether is legal or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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