powder type?

[Cake444]

Hey guys,

 

I have got shot, hulls, primers and a Lee All Loader. Will get some wadding soon.

 

I want to make 32 gram 5/6's for game so here goes a few questions

 

1: Can powder/primers be delivered to a home address? Probably not...

 

2: What powder should I be using for this load?

 

The Lee All Loader is for European measurements so I imagine I will have some trouble measuring powder?

[sitsinhedges]

What primers have you got and have you bought a scale yet

 

AFAIK, Peter Lawman will post powder and primers along with wads.

 

Vectan A1 would probably be the best for your purpose

 

http://www.peterlawman.co.uk/index.php

Edited March 21, 2011 by sitsinhedges

[fruitloop]

What primers have you got and have you bought a scale yet

 

AFAIK, Peter Lawman will post powder and primers along with wads.

 

Vectan A1 would probably be the best for your purpose

 

http://www.peterlawman.co.uk/index.php

same as he says

[Guest cookoff013]

and same again, that load is cheap.

may also want to just shoot 1oz loads, if your going decoying.

at decoy distances, it isnt going to make that much difference.

try it,

 

i`ve even used 7/8oz of #4s and 1,1/8oz #4 subs in cartridges, if its pointing in the right direction and patterns then its on !

[Jaguar Warrior]

I've just reviewed all the sites I could find, and have ordered powder A1 and AS Vectan and CX2000 primers from Peter Lawman. I bought Diana wads from Folkestone Engineering on cheap, non-hazmat delivery. Siarm are good for plastic wads but are limited in fibre wads and packers. Claygame is good for advice and unusual components but not as competitive on price as others.

 

Regulars - Have I missed anyone off?

 

JW

[sitsinhedges]

I've just reviewed all the sites I could find, and have ordered powder A1 and AS Vectan and CX2000 primers from Peter Lawman. I bought Diana wads from Folkestone Engineering on cheap, non-hazmat delivery. Siarm are good for plastic wads but are limited in fibre wads and packers. Claygame is good for advice and unusual components but not as competitive on price as others.Regulars - Have I missed anyone off?

 

JW

 

That's the polite way of saying it

[Guest cookoff013]

siarm are good because they have a good range of products. but watch out, the shot sizes are different, they are italian shot sizes.

 

with the right load say, 12gauge, 19 grains vectan AS, and an ounce of #5s would be a smoking load to be proud off.

 

i really like the gualani wads, and think they are inovative, but almost worth the price tag.

 

just because most are obsessed with the english #6, doesnt mean you have to stick to it to. #5 is a suitable shotsize. the shotcount is well up.

if you are concerned about the missing pellets, forget them, make yourself feel better and write 6 on the cartridge.

 

as you have no limits, shoot whatever cartridge you want. why not buy a test shotsize? 5s,6s,7s, whatever !

[sitsinhedges]

siarm are good because they have a good range of products. but watch out, the shot sizes are different, they are italian shot sizes.

 

with the right load say, 12gauge, 19 grains vectan AS, and an ounce of #5s would be a smoking load to be proud off.

 

i really like the gualani wads, and think they are inovative, but almost worth the price tag.

 

just because most are obsessed with the english #6, doesnt mean you have to stick to it to. #5 is a suitable shotsize. the shotcount is well up.

if you are concerned about the missing pellets, forget them, make yourself feel better and write 6 on the cartridge.

 

as you have no limits, shoot whatever cartridge you want. why not buy a test shotsize? 5s,6s,7s, whatever !

 

Have you actually tested this load

 

I would be interested what kind of velocity and pattern density you achieved at distance

[UK fowler]

SMOKIN

[Cake444]

Thanks for all the help everybody, I really appreciate it.

 

Ok so i have got so far -

 

1000 20mm 12g fibre wads

1000 4mm card wads

500 CX2000 primers

0.5kg of Vectan A1

3kg of #6 shot

500 unprimed hull cases

I also have a nice digital scales - 0.01g to 200g

I have about 50 Magtech Brass 12g hulls - not sure if I can use these but I would love too.

 

 

Hopefully I’m almost all set to go apart from having a formula to follow religiously.

 

Does anybody know were I can get some loading data for 32gram #6 loads?

[Guest cookoff013]

Have you actually tested this load

 

I would be interested what kind of velocity and pattern density you achieved at distance

 

thats the point, distance is in the eye of the beholder.

[sitsinhedges]

70mm PT case

CX2000 primer

24.0 grains /1.55 grams Vectan A1

3mm card+17mm Fibre+5mm cork

32g shot

1074fps/327mps at 20metres

6pt crimp

494.00 bar

 

Substitute the 3mm nitrocard, 17mm fibre and 5mm cork for a 4mm nitro card and 20mm fibre and see how the crimp goes. You can adust the column by using card under the shot. I have used Cheerios to adjust the shot column but some people frown on that and card is the proper way. Look to get a 1.5mm deep rim on the crimp. A deeper crimp just creates more breech pressure and should be avoided.

Edited March 23, 2011 by sitsinhedges

[sitsinhedges]

thats the point, distance is in the eye of the beholder.

 

I was interested because you are making pretty much what I use for my 20g Hushpower. Slower speed with a heavier pellet to compensate and a pellet count nearer to a 21 or 24 gram standard load.

 

They kill well as long as the pattern holds

[Cake444]

70mm PT case

CX2000 primer

24.0 grains /1.55 grams Vectan A1

3mm card+17mm Fibre+5mm cork

32g shot

1074fps/327mps at 20metres

6pt crimp

494.00 bar

 

Substitute the 3mm nitrocard, 17mm fibre and 5mm cork for a 4mm nitro card and 20mm fibre and see how the crimp goes. You can adust the column by using card under the shot. I have used Cheerios to adjust the shot column but some people frown on that and card is the proper way. Look to get a 1.5mm deep rim on the crimp. A deeper crimp just creates more breech pressure and should be avoided.

 

 

That’s great, thank you so much!!!

 

I'm really looking forward to putting a few together.

 

I’m using magtech full brass shotgun cases - will this load data be ok for these? There 2.5 inches so I imagine cutting the wad slightly to gage a desired load will be in order?

I will just make sure that the cut end of the wad is against the card spacer.

[sitsinhedges]

That’s great, thank you so much!!!

 

I'm really looking forward to putting a few together.

 

I’m using magtech full brass shotgun cases - will this load data be ok for these? There 2.5 inches so I imagine cutting the wad slightly to gage a desired load will be in order?

I will just make sure that the cut end of the wad is against the card spacer.

 

No. Use proper PT shotgun shells and stick to what is written.

 

There's no point messing about with brass cases that the primers don't fit anyway, and there is no point giving you a recipe of you are going to immediately deviate from it.

 

Once used cases would be best because you will already have a crimp to follow.

[Cake444]

No. Use proper PT shotgun shells and stick to what is written.

 

There's no point messing about with brass cases that the primers don't fit anyway, and there is no point giving you a recipe of you are going to immediately deviate from it.

 

Once used cases would be best because you will already have a crimp to follow.

 

 

By PT cases you mean just standard Brass/Plastic ones 70mm, I have plenty of these.

 

I appreciate the formula but I’m not going to deviate from asking questions about things I’m interested in trying. After all that’s what this forum is for right? Better I ask questions then muck about.

 

So if anybody knows ant loading data for brass cases (besides Primers) that would be great, if not then I shall search else were

[Guest cookoff013]

I was interested because you are making pretty much what I use for my 20g Hushpower. Slower speed with a heavier pellet to compensate and a pellet count nearer to a 21 or 24 gram standard load.

 

They kill well as long as the pattern holds

 

soft lead doesnt like going fast, or using a large shotcolumn. squashes, the back pellets.

recoil is less, and patterns better (in theory). you really dont need to load up to the maximum pressure.

larger pellets for game is often softer anyway, due to the low antimony.

i`m a big fan of 9kpsi and 1200fps (upto 1300) the ammount of effort and energy isnt woth it. just for 100fps, thats just lost in the first 20 yards.

[Jaguar Warrior]

Cake, I thought the issue with the magtech cases is that the primers are a different size, and classed as large pistol primers. So unless you have an FAC with that particular calibre on it, no-one will sell them to you. Even in person.

 

If anyone knows otherwise, let us all know otherwise we would all be using them i'm sure....

[sitsinhedges]

Cake, I thought the issue with the magtech cases is that the primers are a different size, and classed as large pistol primers. So unless you have an FAC with that particular calibre on it, no-one will sell them to you. Even in person.

 

If anyone knows otherwise, let us all know otherwise we would all be using them i'm sure....

 

And you wont find any recipes for them or large pistol primers so how does a beginner load them safely

 

There are millions of normal cases there for the taking free at every clay club, so why try and do it the awkward way Makes no sense

[Cake444]

And you wont find any recipes for them or large pistol primers so how does a beginner load them safely

 

There are millions of normal cases there for the taking free at every clay club, so why try and do it the awkward way Makes no sense

 

A beginner I am indeed, I never realised that I would require an FAC to purchase large pistol primers to repack these shells. I found a recipe from a guy in Somerset who uses these brass cases, but like you say if I need an FAC then I will sell them on.

 

I thought they would be easier to pack to be honest as you don’t need to crimp the ends, just pop in a card wad and seal it, but there we go.

 

The Lee All Loader is a pain in the A@s! It’s too big for what it is. If I could by a crimping tool that I could use manually I would have bought that instead - (this is where you tell me I can )

 

Anyway i will stick to my hull 70mm PT cases. There nice actually

 

Again I really appreciate the advice.

[sitsinhedges]

A beginner I am indeed, I never realised that I would require an FAC to purchase large pistol primers to repack these shells. I found a recipe from a guy in Somerset who uses these brass cases, but like you say if I need an FAC then I will sell them on.

 

I thought they would be easier to pack to be honest as you don’t need to crimp the ends, just pop in a card wad and seal it, but there we go.

 

The Lee All Loader is a pain in the A@s! It’s too big for what it is. If I could by a crimping tool that I could use manually I would have bought that instead - (this is where you tell me I can )

 

Anyway i will stick to my hull 70mm PT cases. There nice actually

 

Again I really appreciate the advice.

 

A reloading press once set up will give you consistency and safety without having to weigh every cartridge, which would quickly lose it's appeal. Just check your drops often

[Andy H]

Have a look at this about reloading all brass cartridges. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6937

[MC]

A beginner I am indeed, I never realised that I would require an FAC to purchase large pistol primers to repack these shells. I found a recipe from a guy in Somerset who uses these brass cases, but like you say if I need an FAC then I will sell them on.

 

I thought they would be easier to pack to be honest as you don’t need to crimp the ends, just pop in a card wad and seal it, but there we go.

 

The Lee All Loader is a pain in the A@s! It’s too big for what it is. If I could by a crimping tool that I could use manually I would have bought that instead - (this is where you tell me I can )

 

Anyway i will stick to my hull 70mm PT cases. There nice actually

 

Again I really appreciate the advice.

 

 

If you are finding the Lee Loadall a pain then you haven't got it set up right. I have two of them and I can easily load 100 carts an hour while having the shot maker running at the same time.

 

I have recently bought the second one primarily for crimping 3" cases after I have loaded them with Steel shot for the coming season.

 

I use Gordon system cases (Either Black Gold or Blue Diamond) and I get cartridges that are easily as good as factroy loads, yet about half the price.

 

[Floating Chamber]

I'm sure most of these 'newbies' are the same person/agent for a certain supplier! Check the use of jargon and emoticons!

[Jaguar Warrior]

Mmmmm

Intruiging - but my feeble mind fails to see a pattern

 

Tell us more Jedi Master........

 

MC -are those straight out of the Lee loader or have you touched them up with a roll-over tool?

I can't get crimps as deep on my LL II using either

 

Eley Blues, (Blue, thick plastic, 11.9 mm brass)

Kent velocity (clear, thin plastic, 7.3mm brass)

Hull high Pheasant (Blue, thick plastic, 16.2 mm brass) all in 70 mm fibre 28 g once fired cases,

 

On mine, the crimp is only about 1 mm below the rim. Yours look to be about 2 mm or more. Just like the factory - well impressive

If I drop the wad column height by 1 mm more, using BB shot, the middle of the crimp takes a dive downwards. I'm using a couple of pieces of cut up christmas card on top of the shot, but this is nowhere as stiff as a proper overshot card. (Unfortunately, my order was wrong and I got 1000 overpowder cards instead )