.17 hummer Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 has anyone got or has had a 204 ruger? as im thinking of getting one for foxing thanks dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 frank had a .204 have a word with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 hi Dan, franks your man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 He sold it to buy a 223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 He sold it to buy a 223 thanks fellas. il have to wait til hes on the forum, but does anyone know why he flogged it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 has anyone got or has had a 204 ruger? as im thinking of getting one for foxing thanks dan. Hi Dan, I had a .204 Ruger in a Ruger MKII M77 walnut stocked for 6 months. I found in very hard to get groups below 2 inches with the 40 grain v.max stuff in factory. I then was told the 32 grain ammo groups better in a 1 in 12 rifle, which most .204s are. So i got a box or 2 of the 32 grainers and tryd them out. The groups shrank to around an inch not bad i thought and the first opertunity i got i took it out after foxes. Shot 6 that evening, 4 had to be shot twice as on inspection the 32s exploded on impact, not penatrating the vitals. Cleaning the thing, was a right pain, it fouled bad and like the .17 rem attracted copper like a magnet. I eventually got fed up with trying to keep it and myself happy, so swaped it for a hard earned CZ .223 . Never looked back since. Bags of different cheap ammo to choose from, accurate with most types of factory ammo,easy on the barrel and easy to clean. What more do you need? The .223 will do everything a .204 will do, but do it better and much more cheaper. Now saying all this, if your into reloading, you may find an ultimate load for it, but personally, i cant be botherd with all the hassel, too complicated for me. Why bother, when the .223 is so much more easy to please and fun to have. Hope that helps a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 has anyone got or has had a 204 ruger? as im thinking of getting one for foxing thanks dan. Hi Dan, I had a .204 Ruger in a Ruger MKII M77 walnut stocked for 6 months. I found in very hard to get groups below 2 inches with the 40 grain v.max stuff in factory. I then was told the 32 grain ammo groups better in a 1 in 12 rifle, which most .204s are. So i got a box or 2 of the 32 grainers and tryd them out. The groups shrank to around an inch not bad i thought and the first opertunity i got i took it out after foxes. Shot 6 that evening, 4 had to be shot twice as on inspection the 32s exploded on impact, not penatrating the vitals. Cleaning the thing, was a right pain, it fouled bad and like the .17 rem attracted copper like a magnet. I eventually got fed up with trying to keep it and myself happy, so swaped it for a hard earned CZ .223 . Never looked back since. Bags of different cheap ammo to choose from, accurate with most types of factory ammo,easy on the barrel and easy to clean. What more do you need? The .223 will do everything a .204 will do, but do it better and much more cheaper. Now saying all this, if your into reloading, you may find an ultimate load for it, but personally, i cant be botherd with all the hassel, too complicated for me. Why bother, when the .223 is so much more easy to please and fun to have. Hope that helps a bit. thanks a lot frank. ive heard two similar stories to yours also. i was 50/50 with the 204 and 223 then went to the kent game fair on sunday and a gunmaker from ashford called alan ,on the basc stall ,showed me a group from his rifle at 100yds and the the three shot group was virtually a one holer. he was adamant that the 204 was capable of 1/2 groups at 100yds with factory ammo. so i was leaning toward the 204 but i think youve well and truly swayed it. sussex lad has a 223 ar15 and he loves it so ill look round for one, now im addicted to foxing i think the 6.5 is just too much gun for them. well thats the official reason to princess hummer thanks dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 has anyone got or has had a 204 ruger? as im thinking of getting one for foxing thanks dan. Hi Dan, I had a .204 Ruger in a Ruger MKII M77 walnut stocked for 6 months. I found in very hard to get groups below 2 inches with the 40 grain v.max stuff in factory. I then was told the 32 grain ammo groups better in a 1 in 12 rifle, which most .204s are. So i got a box or 2 of the 32 grainers and tryd them out. The groups shrank to around an inch not bad i thought and the first opertunity i got i took it out after foxes. Shot 6 that evening, 4 had to be shot twice as on inspection the 32s exploded on impact, not penatrating the vitals. Cleaning the thing, was a right pain, it fouled bad and like the .17 rem attracted copper like a magnet. I eventually got fed up with trying to keep it and myself happy, so swaped it for a hard earned CZ .223 . Never looked back since. Bags of different cheap ammo to choose from, accurate with most types of factory ammo,easy on the barrel and easy to clean. What more do you need? The .223 will do everything a .204 will do, but do it better and much more cheaper. Now saying all this, if your into reloading, you may find an ultimate load for it, but personally, i cant be botherd with all the hassel, too complicated for me. Why bother, when the .223 is so much more easy to please and fun to have. Hope that helps a bit. thanks a lot frank. ive heard two similar stories to yours also. i was 50/50 with the 204 and 223 then went to the kent game fair on sunday and a gunmaker from ashford called alan ,on the basc stall ,showed me a group from his rifle at 100yds and the the three shot group was virtually a one holer. he was adamant that the 204 was capable of 1/2 groups at 100yds with factory ammo. so i was leaning toward the 204 but i think youve well and truly swayed it. sussex lad has a 223 ar15 and he loves it so ill look round for one, now im addicted to foxing i think the 6.5 is just too much gun for them. well thats the official reason to princess hummer thanks dan i was chatting to the same chap on the same day. However i was argueing the case against the 204 with him. I seem to recal he was using 37 or 32 grain handloads, which i think is too light for such a fast round. His group was impressive, but nothing a handloaded .222/.223 couldnt achive. When i started asking how he found the .204 for penetration i came across a disagreement. He liked to see no exit wound, meaning the projectile had delivered 100% of its energy, where as i like to see a large exit wound, meaning that a large amount of the energy has been delivered but also that it has deffinatly passed through the vital organs. Where as a round like the .204 would i expect cause a wound just below the skin, not actually harming the organs. Either way, everyone has their own methods, personally i will stick with .224 rounds for foxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 yes nick your right. he was handloading 32grn bergers. i too like to see an exit . so its the 223 for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 thanks a lot frank. No problem Dan, anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 so its the 223 for me. Excellent choice Dan , the best of luck with it. What make of rifle were you thinking of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 yes nick your right. he was handloading 32grn bergers. i too like to see an exit . so its the 223 for me. I often don't get an exit wound with my .22/250 using 50 grainers ......Don't get any runners either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Don't get any runners either Thats because Miffy, the .22-250 hits the fox like a bloody great FREIGHT train!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Don't get any runners either Thats because Miffy, the .22-250 hits the fox like a bloody great FREIGHT train!!! I know And because i use vmax bullets........flippin ace bullets they are too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I know And because i use vmax bullets........flippin ace bullets they are too I agree, but the .22-250 & .223, makes them go into the vitals, without any nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I know And because i use vmax bullets........flippin ace bullets they are too I agree, but the .22-250 & .223, makes them go into the vitals, without any nonsense. Isn't there plenty of choice for bullets in .204 ? Surely if the right bullet/load is chosen then it would be an effective cartridge to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) Isn't there plenty of choice for bullets in .204 ? Surely if the right bullet/load is chosen then it would be an effective cartridge to use? Got to this link below and click on ammo, it will tell you all that is available for the .204. This is all in the US, very hard to get most of it over here, dont know about the UK? http://www.204ruger.com/204_ammo.php Edited April 5, 2006 by Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 so its the 223 for me. Excellent choice Dan , the best of luck with it. What make of rifle were you thinking of? open to suggestions frank but the remmy varminter is a proven shooter .so il see what they have available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Don't look that good for the .204 then does it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 open to suggestions frank but the remmy varminter is a proven shooter .so il see what they have available The CZ 527 are pretty good, i have one, cracking rifle for the dosh. The remmy are good too, go with what ever makes you happy. My rifle lamping set up below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 A couple of dawn foxes with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 has anyone got or has had a 204 ruger? as im thinking of getting one for foxing thanks dan. Your 6.5 is fine for fox. The Police Forensic lab actually recommend the 243 as being the most suitable calibre and I am sure would approve of the 6.5. Personally I prefer the 25-06 but will soon be using my new 25WSSM as I find the 25 cal the best for me. I do have a 204 and as far as I am concerned have no undue problem with accurracy with 32 or 40 grn but do have a problem with killing ability so I will just keep it as a longer range rabbit gun. Any 22cf will be fine for fox out to 200-250yds but for me preference goes to the 22-250 although I prefer my 222 (and 223) which is quieter when around housing at night. I am not a fan of silencers. Do remember though the first shot is never heard - you only wake them up - its the second one they complain about ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Do remember though the first shot is never heard - you only wake them up - its the second one they complain about ! This is the famous saying around my parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dan, I have recently been considering my options for my next rifle/calibre. Was looking for something cost effective accurate and usable. After trying Brians .223 last night on 2 unsuspecting targets sat next to each other at 150-155 yards, I am now convinced its the best way forwards. Its cracking bit of kit, so .223 it is. Rifle wise, I will be going for a Tikka T3 Synthetic Stainless, good or bad thats my choice. :( I'm now trying to figure out the best way to tell the wife. So mums the word when you meet her tommorrow, assuming you want a lift to Lewes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted April 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 hi axe im off to chris potter guns in east grinstead today so will catch up with you in lewes on the way back but thanks for the offer. look forward to meeting you all. dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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