sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 So your sending off for your FAC yet your experience at shooting 275yd rabbits,mmmm reminds me of when I was kid, used to dream of being an astronaught, and poor old Alice just hung around drinking tea with large rabbits and a pack of living cards. What a wonderland it all was back then, then I grew up and got my FAC. u seem like peter pan the kid that never grew up, i never needed to buy my own only one shot at a time and take in turns on mates, got a bit more land now so want to get my own, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Mmmm Thanks for the complement Sully7s, but talking of growing up you best check the firearms laws when ya get yr own FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Mmmm Thanks for the complement Sully7s, but talking of growing up you best check the firearms laws when ya get yr own FAC. thanks for advice i will do its good to have so many friendly folk wishing to give you info and being so kind, thank you guys your the best xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 ok chaps..... perhaps we're all being a little harsh here... the guy isn't professing to creaming 704yd hares here... just 275yd bunnies. Now... I have absolutely no experience whatsoever of .17 HMR other than what I read on here, and most of that seems to point to the fact that it is an excellend 'reaching,' flat shooting round. I could plug bunnies all day long with my 6.5 or .308, and get most of the rounds into a head sized group @ 300yds. Is the HMR that much less stable at that sort of range? There are plenty of vids on youtube of 300yd HMR shooting into rabbit sized targets. I'm asking a serious question.... don't jump on me here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Just downloaded some bunny sized targets although I think they're actually prairie dogs ready for the day. On that you tube thingy, do you think that we see consecutive shots or are some edited out and if so would they be the misses? I've never shot 6.5 or 308 but what would a bunny sized head (2" dia.) shot at 300 equate to at 500 because I have a horrible feeling that we've just been there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I've never shot 6.5 or 308 but what would a bunny sized head (2" dia.) shot at 300 equate to at 500 because I have a horrible feeling that we've just been there? Don't understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 ok chaps..... perhaps we're all being a little harsh here... the guy isn't professing to creaming 704yd hares here... just 275yd bunnies. Now... I have absolutely no experience whatsoever of .17 HMR other than what I read on here, and most of that seems to point to the fact that it is an excellend 'reaching,' flat shooting round. I could plug bunnies all day long with my 6.5 or .308, and get most of the rounds into a head sized group @ 300yds. Is the HMR that much less stable at that sort of range? There are plenty of vids on youtube of 300yd HMR shooting into rabbit sized targets. I'm asking a serious question.... don't jump on me here no there good at short range to, on my mates sweet17 his yrd on top of scope only starts at 100yrd but you can shoot lot less, on the one i have just got my self starts at 50yrd up to 300yrd, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Don't understand? a 2 inch group at 300 means 0.66 at 100 so lets say 3 inch at 500 i can get just over that with my 223 on a good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 a 2 inch group at 300 means 0.66 at 100 so lets say 3 inch at 500 i can get just over that with my 223 on a good day Oh, *******, seconds out, round two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 a 2 inch group at 300 means 0.66 at 100 so lets say 3 inch at 500 i can get just over that with my 223 on a good day Was shooting F-Class with my TRG .308 at the Pheonix @ Bisley a couple of weeks ago. The 600yd v-bull is .5 MOA which is 3", the bull is 1 MOA which is 6. My scores were a mixture of the 2 in truly horrendous wind conditions. What I'm asking is can't a hmr perform to .5 - 1 moa. 1 MOA @ 275yds is 2 3/4 inches which is head sized? 2 even 3 MOA would still be less than bunny sized. I'm just not sure we shouild be berrating the lad too much... on reflection it wouldn't seem overly difficult but as I say, I have absolutely no experience of the calibre. I appreciate that something 20gr is going to get bounced around by the wind considerably more than the 175gr SMKs I was launching, no matter how fast they are traveling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 well u sound like u should be giving lessons on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 well u sound like u should be giving lessons on here Not at all... not a great performance. Came 29th out of a field of 46 shooters (match results are all in the public domain - NRA website, half way down middle of home page, pheonix results, F-Class 4/5/600 yds are 3/4 way down score sheet.. I am 29th.) The ONLY saving grace I had was that I was the only one in the match (that I could see) using a tactical rifle, i.e. bipod & rear bag, rather than a 'Heavy' F-class gun with mechanical front and rears. I was down at Bisley a few weeks prior to the Pheonix with one of my clubs, there were guys getting better scores at 1,000 yards than I got at 600 although, there was very little wind during that trip.. the mirage was aweful though! Anyhoo... I digress... Still interested in the genuine capabilities of this little round. Whether or not you 'would' shoot bunnies with one at 300 yards, is it capable of giving consistant results or is the wind going to play havoc with such a light projectile? The main vid I saw on YT was some irish guy in a quarry which, although he claimed created problem winds, would, to my mind have the opposite effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Not at all... not a great performance. Came 29th out of a field of 46 shooters (match results are all in the public domain - NRA website, half way down middle of home page, pheonix results, F-Class 4/5/600 yds are 3/4 way down score sheet.. I am 29th.) The ONLY saving grace I had was that I was the only one in the match (that I could see) using a tactical rifle, i.e. bipod & rear bag, rather than a 'Heavy' F-class gun with mechanical front and rears. I was down at Bisley a few weeks prior to the Pheonix with one of my clubs, there were guys getting better scores at 1,000 yards than I got at 600 although, there was very little wind during that trip.. the mirage was aweful though! Anyhoo... I digress... Still interested in the genuine capabilities of this little round. Whether or not you 'would' shoot bunnies with one at 300 yards, is it capable of giving consistant results or is the wind going to play havoc with such a light projectile? The main vid I saw on YT was some irish guy in a quarry which, although he claimed created problem winds, would, to my mind have the opposite effect. it does not do very well in wind cause its so light we had about 15 mph cross wind and it was moving it left by about 6" at 160yrds, 300 yrds is possable as i have just over that but took a few shoots to get it, killed out right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 he now got that program for his htc phone that tells him his moa whichis pritty cool for wind and angle yrds cant get it on blackberry well not found it any how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Oh, *******, seconds out, round two. meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) he now got that program for his htc phone that tells him his moa whichis pritty cool for wind and angle yrds cant get it on blackberry well not found it any how. Be careful with that... you need to do some work matching the ballistics calulator to your actual rifle & ammunition's performance before you rely on it, it is unlikely to be spot on 'out of the box.' Also, remember that, even if you measure the wind at your location, it could be gusting even in the opposite direction down range. Learn to read wind speed and direction using natural cover and surroundings. Don't rely on a wind meter, only use it as a very basic guide. Edited June 12, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) meaning? He's probably about to tell us we're talking ********... that's ok... he can go visit the NRA results pages... I have no need whatsoever to exaggerate my shooting capabilities. There are a few people on here who could outshoot me with their eyes shut.. One in particular who I was down at Bisley with who is GB team standard.... Congrats on all the medals Andy... your performance on the McQueen was still **** though I'll let you use my rifle next year :yp: Edited June 12, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully7s Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Be careful with that... you need to do some work matching the ballistics to your actual rifle & ammunition before you rely on it, it is unlikely to be spot on 'out of the box.' Also, remember that, even if you measure the wind at your location, it could be gusting even in the opposite direction down range. Learn to read wind speed and direction using natural cover and surroundings. Don't rely on a wind meter, only use it as a very basic guide. thank u this is more of what i was hoping to get info, total understand what you mean we shoot a lot of valley ground which changes loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) thank u this is more of what i was hoping to get info, total understand what you mean we shoot a lot of valley ground which changes loads Take the rifle and ammo to a quiet spot as much as possible out of the wind (preferably wait for a very calm day) Zero your rifle at whatever range you zero a hmr at, lets say for example 50yds. Plug your zero range into the ballistics calculator as well as the data for the bullet you are using (mine has a built in database, don't know about yours)and the chrono'd MV. Dial in your first range, say 100yds and turn the scope turret the corresponding number of clicks (make sure you have told the ballistics calculator what each click means, there will be an entry for that) and shoot a group. Remember, only interested in elevation here, windage is irrelevant. If it is bang on, great, move out 50yds and get the number of clicks from the BC again. If it doesn't fall where you expected then dial in more or less clicks until it does. MAke a note of the ACTUAL number of clicks and then move out 50 yds. do this in 50 yd increments until you reach your maximum. Now, if the BC data matches what is happening, great, no need to do anything. If it doesn't, which is more likely, then adjust the muzzle velocity entered into the calculator until the clicks it is telling you at any given range match the ACTUAL clicks you have noted. The calculator should now spit out data that is spot on each time. You can tweek things further if you get anomolies between the data for your farthest distance and shortest but I can't see this being an issue out to 300 yds so just concentrate on getting it to spit out the correct number of clicks for 300 and the rest should be close enough not to matter. If there is a huge discrepancy accross the various ranges then it is more likely that an incorrect ballistic coeficient has been entered. Remember though, I am applying long range principles 1000 - 1200 yds here so may be way overboard out to 300 but the principle is the same. Edited June 12, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Vipa, others will disagree, but I don't consider the HMR to be a practical field calibre past 175yds let alone 275. The wind would have to be incredibly consistent to use it at that distance. My personal best rabbit is 158 and that was in excellent weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) Vipa, others will disagree, but I don't consider the HMR to be a practical field calibre past 175yds let alone 275. The wind would have to be incredibly consistent to use it at that distance. My personal best rabbit is 158 and that was in excellent weather. That matches kind of what I was thinking. .22lr is pointless beyond 100 so wouldn't expect something smaller to reach considerably further even if it's travelling v. fast but looking on youtube... 250-300 is do-able, I guess just in ideal conditions? otherwise it's gonna be more like harrasing fire! Edited June 12, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 otherwise it's gonna be more like harrasing fire! "get some marines hura" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 but looking on youtube... 250-300 is do-able, Youtube also shows people shooting boar with HMR, you can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of those shooters. I'll take a long shot on the basis that I have a 9/10 chance of doing it properly, that's not some heroic ethics, just the fact that it's better to get closer and hit rather than miss and have to wait 20 minutes for the next opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Vipa, others will disagree, but I don't consider the HMR to be a practical field calibre past 175yds let alone 275. The wind would have to be incredibly consistent to use it at that distance. My personal best rabbit is 158 and that was in excellent weather. Totally agree with you Catweazle, I have put a fair few rounds through my hmr and reckon my CZ varmint is pretty accurate with hornady's,I don't need to shoot from 6 miles away as I have found its not hard to get within reasonable range of a rabbit. Sometimes in the winter when there isnt much cover and they are well out in the fields at night the hummer is in its element. Best lamp shot(from the truck) was 140yds, longest shot was 160yds prone on a lovely summers evening. Don't have that many wind issues with the little bullet upto 100yds but at 200yds, well I just wouldnt bother on a live target. Another thing to take into account is the ammo,its a rimfire and personally I don't reckon ammo consistancy is anyway as good as centre fire stuff. One batch will be very good, the next not so good, or maybe its just me, who cares. The people on here that REALLY shoot long range targets will know how difficult it is to get long range and consistant accuracy with equipment that is much better than standard hunting rifles. One last thing, if you cannot get to within a humane distance to shoot live prey and want to shoot 200,300,400yd targets then why not just go down the firing range, paper won't crawl off and have a slow and painful death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Totally agree with you Catweazle, I have put a fair few rounds through my hmr and reckon my CZ varmint is pretty accurate with hornady's,I don't need to shoot from 6 miles away as I have found its not hard to get within reasonable range of a rabbit. Sometimes in the winter when there isnt much cover and they are well out in the fields at night the hummer is in its element. Best lamp shot(from the truck) was 140yds, longest shot was 160yds prone on a lovely summers evening. Don't have that many wind issues with the little bullet upto 100yds but at 200yds, well I just wouldnt bother on a live target. Another thing to take into account is the ammo,its a rimfire and personally I don't reckon ammo consistancy is anyway as good as centre fire stuff. One batch will be very good, the next not so good, or maybe its just me, who cares. The people on here that REALLY shoot long range targets will know how difficult it is to get long range and consistant accuracy with equipment that is much better than standard hunting rifles. One last thing, if you cannot get to within a humane distance to shoot live prey and want to shoot 200,300,400yd targets then why not just go down the firing range, paper won't crawl off and have a slow and painful death. I agree with you entirely but I specifically wasn't wanting to bring ethics into it, just wondered if it was possible, as I say, I know nothing about the little stuff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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