Dynamic85 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 This is the farm I currently shoot over with my air rifle. Down the West side there is a railway, and on the East side is a busy bypass. The buildings to the South are a small industrial estate, and as the image shows, there are a few paths that run through the farm that are frequently used by cyclists and dog walkers. What calibres if any do you think this land would be cleared for if I got FAC permission off the farmer? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 know will know apart from local feo mate,all depends on what they think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Id guess not much. It may help if you said you were to use high seats. Realistically dont think centerfire. Id recomend a .22FAC Air, Id not be comfortable with a.22lr there because of the tendancy to richochet. It would depend on your experience too. Edited June 22, 2011 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I'm not sure I'd be happy shooting anything over FAC Air or shotgun on there myself anyway. I know there are a few places where I'd be happy taking shots with a .17HMR or a .22LR, but it'd be so limiting, I'd have to take another rifle out with me at all times anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I'm not sure I'd be happy shooting anything over FAC Air or shotgun on there myself anyway. I know there are a few places where I'd be happy taking shots with a .17HMR or a .22LR, but it'd be so limiting, I'd have to take another rifle out with me at all times anyway. Why did you ask then? I gather you don't have fac from your sig, speak to your feo. Not being an ****, but its a rhetoric question isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 nate, I got my open ticket (.22 rimmy) on first application on land half that size, as long as you can show reason to need, and a good understanding of the area,backstops etc, I cant see any reason why not, FAO are normally very helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Why did you ask then? I gather you don't have fac from your sig, speak to your feo. Not being an ****, but its a rhetoric question isn't it? Firstly, there are a few places on the farm where I could quite happily sit with a rimfire, and shoot anything that comes into range, but walking/stalking around the farm would leave me with very limited shots. Secondly, if I understand correctly, I only need one piece of land for me to have vermin shooting on my FAC for a suitable rifle, and then I can legally shoot on any land that has already been cleared for that calibre by the police. Since I already have permission on this land, and I'm on good terms with this farmer, it would open up possibilities for me shooting on other permissions without any extra hassle involved for a new farmer for me to be able to shoot on his land, assuming it has already been cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I was given permission to shoot Roe using a .243 on a 12 acre patch as long as I used high seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) That wasn't too hard to find on Google Maps Looking at it from Street View, it's very flat and has some buildings dotted in and around, which would make a great target for a bouncing bullet Plus, what your map doesn't show is that if you shot anywhere from North West, North to North East you'd be well within ricochet range of a couple of towns.. Edited June 23, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) ...Also... That lake, on close inspection, has wooden fishing platforms all around it. It is a public fishing lake? Edited June 23, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 That wasn't too hard to find on Google Maps Looking at it from Street View, it's very flat and has some buildings dotted in and around, which would make a great target for a bouncing bullet Plus, what your map doesn't show is that if you shot anywhere from North West, North to North East you'd be well within ricochet range of a couple of towns.. The 'joys' of being in Cheshire, most of it is flat. I think FAC Air is the way forward, but as said previously, if they do clear the land for rimfire, that would make it easier for me to gain other permissions even if I only have limited use for it on that land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 ...Also... That lake, on close inspection, has wooden fishing platforms all around it. It is a public fishing lake? The fishing lake, which is just off my permission is a private syndicate, and the railway is a main line, with a footpath running along side it on the opposite side of the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 The fishing lake, which is just off my permission is a private syndicate, and the railway is a main line, with a footpath running along side it on the opposite side of the track. It's all adding up to be very dangerous... Out of interest, have you shot a rimfire before? - Not patronising or rude or anything, just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 It's all adding up to be very dangerous... Out of interest, have you shot a rimfire before? - Not patronising or rude or anything, just wondering. Not outdoors. Thus why I'm wondering what constitutes safe land, as I've been firing into safe backstops in a club environment. I know the air rifles seem to ricochet off everything whilst shooting outdoors though. I've fired .22LR, .357, .38sp, .223 and .308's on the ranges, but I know that's completely different to shooting on farmland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Yep, just looked on google. Lots of houses to the north and south west ish. Plus lots of livestock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Not outdoors. Thus why I'm wondering what constitutes safe land, as I've been firing into safe backstops in a club environment. I know the air rifles seem to ricochet off everything whilst shooting outdoors though. I've fired .22LR, .357, .38sp, .223 and .308's on the ranges, but I know that's completely different to shooting on farmland. Those LR bullets love to bounce and you'd just be asking for trouble... I have seen some really questionable land cleared for shooting. Land that I actually struggled to find a backstop for... So whilst you may get a licence to shoot, I just don't think that land is the best. Why not put in for an FAC air and then you can always get a variation once you've got some more land to shoot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 My view has always been that the land would not be cleared for FAC, but the more people I say this too, the more I get told their land is 'x' times smaller and riddled with footpaths and they have no issues, so I was just seeing what the forums general take on it was. I have applied for a few centre fires and a .22lr all for target shooting, and an SGC at the same time, so my main plan would be to get new land for use with the shotgun and air rifle, then potentially get to the LR cleared and maybe apply for the HMR when the farmer knows I am safe to be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 My view has always been that the land would not be cleared for FAC, but the more people I say this too, the more I get told their land is 'x' times smaller and riddled with footpaths and they have no issues, so I was just seeing what the forums general take on it was. I have applied for a few centre fires and a .22lr all for target shooting, and an SGC at the same time, so my main plan would be to get new land for use with the shotgun and air rifle, then potentially get to the LR cleared and maybe apply for the HMR when the farmer knows I am safe to be trusted. Yea, thats sensible, but as above, go for air too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 nate, I got my open ticket (.22 rimmy) on first application on land half that size, as long as you can show reason to need, and a good understanding of the area,backstops etc, I cant see any reason why not, FAO are normally very helpful Just do it. You'll get a final decision from the only people that matter, no one else. Just to amplify stubby's remarks, bone up on, possibly using mappage as you can obviously use a computor, to show, say, half a dozen shooting " stances" explaining why you think they're safe and what is the nature of the vermin. Do NOT volunteer this information as it's too easy to get carried away (less said, smaller the cock up) but have it available if asked about the safety aspects or whatever. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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