utectok Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi I'm looking into getting a stud dog for my bitch as I'd like a litter. I'm. Just doing it for fun but I'd also like them to be good working dogs and sell easily. My trainer has a nice ftw at stud and also close by is a ftch at stud. Seems the handler of the ftch hasnt a good word to say bout the trainer with the ftw and vica versa. What's the difference between ftch and ftw? Also I'm told that the ftch will produce really hard difficult dogs? Seems strange as my dog has 50 or so ftch in the lines and is great? But if I go with a ftw the pedigree of the pups will look a bit pants? Thanks for any help cheers will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi I'm looking into getting a stud dog for my bitch as I'd like a litter. I'm. Just doing it for fun but I'd also like them to be good working dogs and sell easily. My trainer has a nice ftw at stud and also close by is a ftch at stud. Seems the handler of the ftch hasnt a good word to say bout the trainer with the ftw and vica versa. What's the difference between ftch and ftw? Also I'm told that the ftch will produce really hard difficult dogs? Seems strange as my dog has 50 or so ftch in the lines and is great? But if I go with a ftw the pedigree of the pups will look a bit pants? Thanks for any help cheers will seems theres a bit of bad feeling between them so obviously one is going to call the other,the easiest thing to do is go and look at both studs,which ever is the most biddable and the best looking would be my choice,total rubbish about a FTCH will produce difficult dogs,its how you train them again it matters not on your pedigree to weather your use a FTW or a FTCH,my mate used the 2010 FTCH and sold his pups for £30 more than I sold mine for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Before you breed, and assuming that you are not doing it solely for the money, have you asked yourself what any puppies you might be responsible for producing actually bring to the overall quality of the breed? You don`t seem to be breeding to keep one of the offspring and neither do you seem to have much understanding of what you are likely to produce by way of temperament or working ability. Breeding and subsequently homing a litter can be time consuming,expensive and stressful. Doing it "just for fun" hardly seems to be the best justification. Sorry to be the one to have to point this out to you, but getting stuck during an economic depression with a litter of puppies which have already cost you a fortune in vets fee`s and are continuing to eat you out of house and home from a mating that nobody wants can be a difficult experience to deal with. It`s very much a buyers market at the moment and unless you have an outstanding product with clearly recognisable potential you should at least have a clearly thought out plan B. Ask yourself,does the gundog world really need another litter of indifferent puppies. It might be worth waiting a while and getting some more experience under your belt before you enter the world of dog breeding. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn_Owl Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Before you breed, Ask yourself,does the gundog world really need another litter of indifferent puppies. It might be worth waiting a while and getting some more experience under your belt before you enter the world of dog breeding. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Superb advice. Do some research ... the right genes are far, far more important than a "friends" Ftw / Ftch stud dog. If you decide to breed a litter; Have at least a couple of orders with deposits paid. Will your vet dock. Time of year is important, late spring and early summer are best sale times. etc, etc. As 'Mudpatten' say's .. the best of luck with whatever you decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I am also thinking along the same lines, have you seen how many Labs are bred each year? I would say in answer to your direct question- it totally depends on what you are trying /hoping to highlight in the bitch and possibly what you hope to supress. Nothing is garanteed and the difference between a FTW and FTCH? how much training and how good a handler, also how well known and liked the handler is as its hard to get a run these days at a trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 (edited) Blimey you lot all sound like my dad!! Flipping heck! I'm not doing this for money or to improve the breed which I'm sure is in capable hands anyway. Also I'm know I'd not produce top trial dogs but I'm sure I could manage some decent gun dogs? Thanks anyway Edited July 3, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Perhaps you should listen to your Dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Perhaps you should listen to your Dad. yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 I reckon mum knows best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 How far is the bloke with cheweky bovril from you? Not personally seen this dog but if it has dearvalley jade of cheweky I'd seriously be looking at using that dog . She produces some very stylish hard working/hunting dogs and has produce a few champions if I'm not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Yeah pretty close but I've been told he was a bit of " a hard" dog not seen him in action tho. I'll have to stop by sometime and see him running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 http://www.lochken.com/rooney-ped.pdf I'll put up my dogs pedigree too if people think it would help deciding a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Funny, i know Mark (cheweky gundogs) quite well and all his dogs seem pretty biddable. I'll ask mark for a little info on it, or if there's a better stud dog up your way that he knows of tomorrow and get back to you if you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Using cheweky bovril is out of the question then shame you're not closer I've a cracking little cocker that is just far enough apart for some line breeding Hang on that is cheweky bovrils Whats your bitches pedigree like? Edited July 4, 2011 by pegleg31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Penny's cert Edited July 5, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) thats my dogs lines Will Edited July 4, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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