kent Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 A usefull vidio, worth noting that a lighweight sporter like yours with no moderator etc will generally shoot higher off a hard surface and lower off a soft surface, this is due to the uncontroled upwards movement (you can see in the vid) you can help this by altering pad pressure in your shoulder some (if your gun recoils with any sideways movement from your hold, guess what the shots go sideways onto target also) altering your set zero accordingly . if your shooting a heavy barreled rifle or one with a big heavy moderator even a lighter recoiling calibre sporter the "shooting high off pod" will be lessened. Less drop on the stock also helps control upwards movement. If you look at a modern Varmint rifle with heavy tube and very little drop in the stock and a nice big fat stiff forearm they are made for this style of shooting you demonstate in the vidio, the lighter and harder recoiling the less it is suited to the method. Try shooting off front and rear bags with your thumb tip just stopping the forearm rising some (yet not contacting the metal of the barrel) and you fingers griping it in such a way as to just control the upwards movement converting it into staight back and i bet your groups shrink. But yet the real trick is same POI from all stances, try a three shot group test from the same firing point (three prone, three kneeling, three sat, three off sticks, three from sticks)the closer the POI and POA are the better but if you know one shoots a lttle high one a bit low no matter how much you try - just allow for it. If you look at any casual shooting range there are guys laid prone refining thier zero just like you demonstate (often off hard flags or concreate shooting points) yet it the field they take Kneelers in a muddy field at best, guess what they spent all those sundays zeroing in the wrong POI No critisism of your great vid on the method but check it out you might want to do another vid shortly- i am sure there are many who might appriciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 well done FB i am sure a few lads will find it very usefull, I have been lucky enough to have a white haired old wizard looking after me for quite a few years now so I have had tutoring, but of course many will not have been helped with one to one field craft and whilst learning alone may have picked up bad habbits or incorrect posture....... PS the only thing that concerns me is your rifle seems to be held together with tape :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Good one FB. My son was taught to shoot in the RAF and shoots rifles very well The everlasting arguments we have had about his kids being taught to shoot (by him) off a bipod with their left hand flapping about like a useless great paddle would fill a big book. I use the same method as you. I will send him your video clip - maybe that will convince him. The kids like my way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 As the others have said it's a good video. The only comment I would make is regarding muzzle position when reloading, loads of people do it, I used to until it was pointed out to me by by a stalker. Now I always shoulder the rifle and then chamber a round otherwise the muzzle can be pointing over the backstop, looking at your range that isn't a problem but it could be if the backstop was lower or the bipod were higher. If you look at 5:20 or so you will see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A bolt 22.250 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) WEll done frenchie nice bit of info there. a tip i use is to put my left hand as im a "right handed shooter" under the rear of the rifle butt and grip the sling close to the swivel mount and use this to steady the back of the rifel and for slight adjustments up or down works a treat for me. Also another thing is to lern to work the bolt wilst still looking at your intended target through the scope, make's for quick follow up if ever needed. Edited October 17, 2011 by A bolt 22.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 As the others have said it's a good video. The only comment I would make is regarding muzzle position when reloading, loads of people do it, I used to until it was pointed out to me by by a stalker. Now I always shoulder the rifle and then chamber a round otherwise the muzzle can be pointing over the backstop, looking at your range that isn't a problem but it could be if the backstop was lower or the bipod were higher. If you look at 5:20 or so you will see what I mean. You have raised a very good point here and it is certainly one that I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out. That is certainly something that I will have to think about as you are quite right, when I reloaded the rifle the muzzle was pointing skywards - Not the safest of things! Pavman - I put the camo tape on the barrel to protect it from the elements and to minimise any possible glare from the Stainless Steel Barrel - I only use tape to hold things together after the wife has given me what for if I am late for dinner or if I have had a slip with my skinning knife! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linny Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 You have raised a very good point here and it is certainly one that I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out. That is certainly something that I will have to think about as you are quite right, when I reloaded the rifle the muzzle was pointing skywards - Not the safest of things! Pavman - I put the camo tape on the barrel to protect it from the elements and to minimise any possible glare from the Stainless Steel Barrel - I only use tape to hold things together after the wife has given me what for if I am late for dinner or if I have had a slip with my skinning knife! thanks for that Pete great to watch as always and some very good points put across from you and other members well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 thanks for that Pete great to watch as always and some very good points put across from you and other members well done I am always happy to reveive constructive critisism and to have "potential faults" pointed out, without them how are any of us going to realise how we are getting things wrong and learn to correct the mistakes that we are making. I do not consider myself to be "A god of shooting" by any means and I know only too well that I still have a lot to learn, and I will openly admit that! Without these faults (Like the muzzle position when I am reloading) being pointed out to me how an I (Or anyone else for that matter) going to learn and improve on their standards. Thanks to all of you that have "added your words of wisdom" in your replies, I have taken them on board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingtip Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 nice one Pete,good of you to pass on experience, wish there were more like you on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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