Springer pup

[coupe312]

ok i keep having the odd problem with my pup.

he get shase on any thing and thats it, all obediance go out of the window.

i,ve herd that the electronic collar are very good at solving the problem with so hounds but would it work with a springer?

 

if so where best to get them from?

[new to the flock]

Coupe;

 

How old is your pup?

 

Are you training his obediance on a lead?

 

Have you trained is obediance in an area full of distractions such as a park full of kids?

 

What is your reaction when he takes off and upon his return?

 

NTTF

[coupe312]

he was very good up until a few weeks ago when he started having the odd escape. this is in wood land or grass land with nobody else there. if there is he goes to say hello, but its mainly what sents he may pick up

 

i might have to go back to taking in on the lead everywhere but, i feel i can give him enough exercise that way.

 

 

oh by the way your advice a making him heal works a treat. got the taste for beef jerky now. :unsure:

[new to the flock]

Try walking him on lead with you ,in town etc, and then giving him some time off lead to run when you get out to the woodlands as long as it is safe area.

 

It sounds to me that you need to do some socialization work....only letting him greet other people and animals when you say it is okay, and some recall work. Both of these exercises are taught on lead, or long line.

 

If you can give somemore information I may be able to come up with something more for you.

 

NTTF

[coupe312]

what else would you like to know i don't think it a social problem caus ehe goes everywhere with me, even to work when possible

[new to the flock]

Coupe:

 

I did not mean a social problem in lack of exposure, but in the form of lack of self control on his part. Meaning he thinks that he has to see and meet all people and animals.

 

How is his heeling around people and other dogs?

 

How is his recall on his own, and around other people and other dogs?

 

How old is he now?

 

NTTF

[coupe312]

Coupe:

 

I did not mean a social problem in lack of exposure, but in the form of lack of self control on his part. Meaning he thinks that he has to see and meet all people and animals.

 

How is his heeling around people and other dogs?

 

How is his recall on his own, and around other people and other dogs?

 

How old is he now?

 

NTTF

 

sorry just read my last post sound a bit of and i was not meant to be.

if its me alone he is much better full stop. has only gone for a run once.

 

not too bad would other people and dog when on the lead,only pull if peopel start calling him

 

duncan is 8 months, could it be the hornmons kicking in.

[new to the flock]

Coupe;

 

Sorry I just got in a few minutes ago and realized that I left the computer on all day.

 

 

At 8 months it could very well be he is starting to think that he is a big dog and that he is testing to see what he can get away with . My first suggestion would be to take him to some parks with lots of kids playing and other dogs about and work him on his heeling and recal on lead. If you have a retractable lead that would be best for the recall work.

 

By the sounds of it he is working well when it is one on one, so now would be the time to get him working 100% around others while on lead. After he is doing the distraction well you could start working off lead again. It is this ground work that is going to let you be able to handle him in the field when rabbits pop up or birds are dropping.

 

Hope this helps,

 

NTTF

[coupe312]

Coupe;

 

Sorry I just got in a few minutes ago and realized that I left the computer on all day.

 

 

At 8 months it could very well be he is starting to think that he is a big dog and that he is testing to see what he can get away with . My first suggestion would be to take him to some parks with lots of kids playing and other dogs about and work him on his heeling and recal on lead. If you have a retractable lead that would be best for the recall work.

 

By the sounds of it he is working well when it is one on one, so now would be the time to get him working 100% around others while on lead. After he is doing the distraction well you could start working off lead again. It is this ground work that is going to let you be able to handle him in the field when rabbits pop up or birds are dropping.

 

Hope this helps,

 

NTTF

 

thank for your continued help, i will try everything before forking out nearly 150 quid for a colar.

 

as a last resort do you think they will work?

[new to the flock]

To answer your question....Yes a collar will work to correct the behaviour IF and ONLY IF it is introduced the correct way and all obediance is reinforced with it and the dog is taught how to move with the collar. You can not just strap it on and start pushing buttons as this will confuse the dog and you will end up right back at stage one. A proper collar program teaches a dog to move away from you move towards you and to move both left and right. As well the collar is not used as a punishment but as a signal very similar to your leash. You must be able to select the level of intensity needed for each situation....high energy or excitement situations may call for a higher intensity than one on one training.

 

NTTF

 

Now putting on full flack jacket to await reader fallout B)

[lurcherboy]

None from me buddy, you helped me out with Ben, the sex addict B)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LB

[coupe312]

well started again put the land yard on him, as good as gold, let him of as off again.

 

i think i might reduce his food a bit so he will work harder for tips?

 

i'd like to try as much as posible before forking out 150 quid for a collar

 

why fall out B)

[new to the flock]

why fall out

E-collar discussions always lead to a lengthy debate B)

 

NTTF

[Natures_son]

Just my honest opinion before you stick one of those collars on a dog strap it on yourself and try it B)

[flytie]

Had a similar problem with my Lab pup. Other uncontrolled dogs were the cause (I live on the edge of a town and everywhere you go there are folks with dogs, uncontrolled and untrained mainly, the dogs too!).

 

After one episode when another dog knocked ours over and the lead came out of my wifes hand the two dogs went off and the other owner gave our dog treats (stupid woman that she is)(not the wife obviously). Our lab then thought that she could go off with any dog and be rewarded. I tried check leads and all the other solutions that people with their own land always give you that are impractical in my situation.

 

I bought a collar, the PAC one. The bloke won't sell it to you until you have tried it on yourself, so I sent the wife to pick it up!!!!!!!! I used it three times on the dog, my wife used it twice on the dog. It cured her B) If you follow the instructions and let them get used to the dummy collar first, then introduce the real collar and finally after some time engineer a situation when the dog will misbehave and use the collar like a check cord. Do not use them to punish a dog, I have seen one spaniel that is a nervous wreck because it is zapped so often.

 

All I can say is that my 10 month old lab is a pleasure to take out, is steady to stock, is steady to other dogs and people.

 

Regards, flytie

[MC]

I had the same problem with Merlin, my springer. Upon taking the lead off him he would disappear over the horizon. Now witth a little bit of work and quite a bit of shouting, he does not go any further than 20foot from me and is very steady.

 

No need for an electric collar just a few pointers and a bit of hard work.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[flytie]

I had the same problem with Merlin, my springer. Upon taking the lead off him he would disappear over the horizon. Now witth a little bit of work and quite a bit of shouting, he does not go any further than 20foot from me and is very steady.

 

No need for an electric collar just a few pointers and a bit of hard work.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

The thing I liked about the collar was that my lab associated the bad behaviour with the shock, not me. I was her friend she was always pleased to come back to me, with no cowering or fear. I can understand what you mean though, I have seen the collars abused. It's a bit like smacking your children, overdone it causes all sorts of trouble, used sparingly it's effective. Getting the balance is tricky! I wish I had the brains to have achieved the same result without spending the money. But the result was imho well worth the outlay!

Ft

[MC]

Merlin is not afraid of me, he will always come back and I will make a fuss of him. I growl at him if he doesn't do as asked or looks like he might break from the stay.

 

By putting in a fair bit of leadwork and asking him to heel, I can now drop the lead while walking and he carries on walking alongside. Even If you tell him to stay, remove the lead and tell him to heel he is quite happy to trot alongside you. Even last night when there was a couple of lads in thye field on a quad bike, which would normally have been a nightmare. Up until a week ago he would have been off chasing them with no control at all.

 

He is always praised when he does good. He does not associate me with bad behaviour only the stern voice, the NO and "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING"

 

Also by using this method I have managed to get him steady to a thrown tennis ball. Hopefully we will start on either hunting and flushing tonight or retrieves.

 

Stop whistle training is coming on well as well, about 95% of the time he stops instantly on one short pip.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[Dunkield]

We have a PAC collar for our JRT, and have only used it once or twice, he is rescue dog that thought it was perfectly OK to run off as far he fancied - 3 miles was his record, found lost and confused near a railway track.

 

So the short sharp shock treatment has probably saved his life, he is now <almost> 100% relaible and can enjoy running about and chasing everything on four legs, we put the collar on him very rarely now and he responds to the beep, no need for anything else.

 

Like most things in life, a little bit of common sense goes a long way...

[coupe312]

will work to the whistle most time but keep having the " big dog" idea's and running off. girlfriend lost him last week and had pick up from police station, will work well 90% of time except when he gets them ideas in his head.

 

might have to spend the 150quid on one.... did'nt want to can't get the other technics to work.

[MC]

Coupe,

 

Honestly mate you don't need one. I attended my first gundog club meeting a fortnight ago and Merlin was a nightmare to say the least. He even ran off with the instructors tennis ball and chewed it up.

 

I have since had 2 one to one lessons with her and I have put in 10 - 15 mins inthe morning and evening and Merlin is a completely different dog.

 

This morning while training with him 2 other dogs came past with their owner who was jogging, this has always been the biggest distraction to Merlin, I told him to stay and he started to look as if he would break, A quck growl "NO" at him and he sat there and watched them run past.

 

An electric collar is not a "quickfix" as I am sure everyone on here will agree. Put the basics in first.

 

Another trick I was shown is have his lead ready to throw at him, When he is over his threshold of distance away he will think he can do anything as you can't get to him quick enough. By throwing his lead at him it will make him think " bloody hell he can still get me when I am over here"

 

I f you can get him to walk well on a lead just try dropping it as you are walking along, if he goes to run off just step on the lead.

 

Try and find a local gundog club and seek their advice, it will save you the £150.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[coupe312]

Coupe,

 

Honestly mate you don't need one. I attended my first gundog club meeting a fortnight ago and Merlin was a nightmare to say the least. He even ran off with the instructors tennis ball and chewed it up.

 

I have since had 2 one to one lessons with her and I have put in 10 - 15 mins inthe morning and evening and Merlin is a completely different dog.

 

This morning while training with him 2 other dogs came past with their owner who was jogging, this has always been the biggest distraction to Merlin, I told him to stay and he started to look as if he would break, A quck growl "NO" at him and he sat there and watched them run past.

 

An electric collar is not a "quickfix" as I am sure everyone on here will agree. Put the basics in first.

 

Another trick I was shown is have his lead ready to throw at him, When he is over his threshold of distance away he will think he can do anything as you can't get to him quick enough. By throwing his lead at him it will make him think " bloody hell he can still get me when I am over here"

 

I f you can get him to walk well on a lead just try dropping it as you are walking along, if he goes to run off just step on the lead.

 

Try and find a local gundog club and seek their advice, it will save you the £150.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

 

that was there advice, they said he can do it cause he has been very well behaved and obeidiant until about 6 weeks ago. Now he is really causing concern.

[MC]

Then you are being too soft with him. I got told that last night with Merlin. Get on at him the moment he looks like breaking.

 

How old is he?

 

Merlin was a real pain in the **** at around 9 - 10 months old. They do get better.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[coupe312]

he is only 8 months old so i wounder if thats what it is? i think he was board of the treat i gave him for comming in when called. tried tonight with little bits or corn beef and he was a good as gold?

 

could i have a god that does not like dog biscuts?

 

even stopped after a cat ran out

 

is corn beef ok for dog in small amounts?

[flytie]

Coupe, pac will rent you a collar you do not have to buy! If you lived nearer to me you could join the list of friends that want to borrow mine. I have insisted that they do the same as me and try it on themselves first.

 

I did try check cords, lead work and my growling has to be heard to be believed (I use "damn your eye's dog") but none of that worked for me. I went from having a dog that would heel, sit at distance by whistle, voice or hand, come back by whistled or voice, sit until told to retrieve dummy or ball to having an unsteady hooligan! I now have back the dog I had before, but is probably even more obiedient and trusting. There is a lot of predjudice against electric collars and given the abuse by some folks I can see why. All I can say is that like most tools they are as good as the people that use them. It worked for me and has for many others! Look at some of the american/european sites about their use as well as the nay sayers here and make your own choice. But if you do buy one do be careful and don't let me down.

 

Ft