roughshooter Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 Anybody come across this and know what it is? REgards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) Yes. 1964, 9s 11d a lb from George Bates in B'ham. Edited August 14, 2011 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Thanks Alan but is this Black powder or nitro? I haven't opened the tin as it is still sealed but would be good to know possible applications Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Black powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Thanks Mud Pattern - don't suppose you know what grade it would be? Cheers Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I`m a bit too rusty on grain sizes to risk loading anything with it upon the strength of my recollection. I used to buy C@H Hawkers Grain black powder for my punt guns but that was donkeys years ago. To the best of my recollection canister no.2 was a medium sized grain suitable for guns around 12 bore. As I`m sure you appreciate there were numerous other grain sizes from rifle down to FFF pistol. Can you tell how old the tin is? Some of the earlier ones with the fancy labels are quite collectible. Hopefully a black powder muzzle loading enthusiast will be along shortly to put us all straight. Sorry I cannot be of more help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr wright-watt Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Anybody come across this and know what it is? REgards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr wright-watt Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 graham i used no6 for my 4bore m\loader, please note in the 1960s one had to apply at the police station for two certs, one to possess and use the powder, one to purchase from gunsmith he then kept this cert. i do not know if this is still current legislation. regards ken w-w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr wright-watt Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) graham duplicate post regards ken w-w. Edited August 16, 2011 by mr wright-watt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) In Greener's book there is an old Curtis & Harvey advert showing grain sizes. The smallest (on the advert) is Diamond No 2. Greener states that he favoured No. 6 for 12 gauge. I think it may be a pistol powder. Edited August 16, 2011 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Mmmmm...knowledge is a wonderful thing! Wish I had some. The tin doesn't look that old - probably 70's I would have thought. certainly not an antique. I was going to make a few BP carts up with it but don't want it too be too fine really. Further investigation methinks Thanks for input from everyone Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) If I remember, the rectangular can was painted red with a white label. The top had a paper seal and underneath this was a black rubber stopper/pourer that you could pull out to pour and push down to seal again. I used 82 grains (3 drams) to push 30 grams of shot. Edit: Remember this would be 1964 - 1970s. Edited August 17, 2011 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 most bp loads are for 32grams of shot, although going down to an ounce probly isnt going to make that much difference. dont expect super speeds out of the loads, if i recolect 1200fps at best. although ive got a kind of serious question, will 82grains by weight, of ffg perform the same as fffg and ffffg? as they are the same by weight? they have the same mass, and composed of identical components, its just the grain size is different. will they perform the same as in a normal 32g cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr wright-watt Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 very good floating chamber, do you remember the paper sticker on the other side of a woodcock? regards ken w-w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 The weight difference between some of the smaller grain sizes for a given volume of powder may not be that great but it should be remembered that the voids between the powder grains in the larger sizes will have an increasingly noticeable effect on volume. The differences in pressure and recoil between the same load, by weight, of black powder in different grain sizes can be dangerously significant. Although black powder, by comparison to nitro powders, is relatively benign and you can take a few liberties with it, overdo it and it will bite your bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 very good floating chamber, do you remember the paper sticker on the other side of a woodcock? regards ken w-w. Can't recall it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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