Dekers Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Ok go and fire a good few rounds with a HMR expecting it not to ricochet and you might end up with problems. All guns ricochet and it should always be considered that it might. Yes i have shot a stack of HMR ammo in the field and it can and does ricochet! My opinion put down for FAC air and buy a second hand Rapid or air arms extra and no need to pay much over £350, there are more selling than those that want one or rather can legally buy one, if you want a safer gun. Your current 12ft lb gun might shoot 1/2" at 50 yds but placing the first shot on target while ranging with the eye and calling the wind then getting within 1/2" of point of aim is a lot different matter. A .22 FAC air running at roundabout 30 ft lb can do this all day long in the hands of a competant shot. Next gun .22RF, use it with subs and remember the moderators for both the above. put on the application for longer range use on Rabbits and higher energy levels for use on Hares, carion crows (on the ground) etc Buy a CZ 452 and put 1500 rounds through it before you even contemplate doing trigger jobs etc. They wear to fit and get sweeter with age If you want a long range vermin gun capable of more than the HMR and well capable of foxes (which myself and many others don't think the HMR is) Look at a .22 Hornet c/fire and moderator. Guess what buy that in a CZ also Now forget anything you thought you knew about scopes from air rifles. Buy the best quality glass you can afford think cheaper on the gun front if you have to. I am not talking gadjets and sideweels IR etc exactly as i say "glass" this means Meopta, s+bender, swavoski, leupold, etc. 6x mag will do fine or 8x if you team it with a big objective or a variable like a 3-9x 40. blah, blah to those who don't like a cool looking gun, like the ugliest dog you will never fully appriciate it as a whole unless you think it looks cool at work no matter how good it is at its job Every now and again you talk some sense, but then you blow it all away with a sentence like......... If you want a long range vermin gun capable of more than the HMR and well capable of foxes (which myself and many others don't think the HMR is) Look at a .22 Hornet c/fire and moderator What the **** does that actually say/suggest/mean? Can you please break it down for me because I don't understand what you are suggesting! I don't know anyone who suggests the HMR is a LONG range vermin gun, and it is certainly not a long range FOX gun, but it most certainly IS very capable of stopping foxes in their tracks if used sensibly. I am more than confident in saying I have (legally) stopped more foxes with my rimfire collection than I have with my centrefire collection, and I have not had to chase any of them round the countryside after they were shot! Edited September 8, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Thanks to all who replied. It seems that a lot of people own the CZ. Must meen its a good gun. I have been searching and I like the look of the thumbhole0 CZ varmint rifle. I have also been contemplating Maybe trying to get a hold of a Savage Arms MARK II BTVS, gun looks good and heared some great reviews of savage guns. As a rabbiting / occasional fox caliber, how does the .22-250 go? I've heared that its a very flat and fast round and very good for this type of thing? Whats everyones verdict and is it worth putting it down on my application rather than a .270 win that the shoot club owner suggested that I put down? Cheers, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Check with your FEO, some won't grant a larger caliber without deer permission and poss a course. Bearing in mind your experience, you are most likely to get a .22 rimmy. Sit with that for 3 years then put in for variation and for open ticket. Dont run (I.e go for a .270 or 22-250) before you can walk (I.e .22/.17HMR). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 OK, thanks for the information, Much appriciated. ATB, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 .270 will blow your shoulder to bits, get some experience first with rimfire, and then get a centrefire. I personally wouldnt use a 22-250 for a rabbiting and occasional fox rifle, I would use it for a full time fox rifle, and the odd long range coney, providing you can kill at the range you are shooting at, NEVER take the shot if you are going to wound the intended target, its not fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yeah I wasn't planning on getting one. I was just told to put it on the ticket because I may within the 5 years decide to get one. It also gives me an extra slot. But totally agree with the only take the shot if you can kill... Not up for bad sportsmanship/unethical shooting etc... ATB, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) Any experiance of how long it takes for getting land cleared to shoot? I have just got my FAC. When the FEO came round (same one that cleared me for SGC) he said 4 - 5 weeks as he had to inspect the land. Cert came through in three weeks. If I remember rightly my SGC arrived in two weeks. Can't praise the Essex Firearms Licensing Dept enough. Superb service and always helpful. Don't know if it's usual but my cert says Buy 500, hold 750 22RF Exp AND Buy 500, hold 750 22RF. Expanding and solid. Might have to get a bigger safe from Homebase. Edited September 11, 2011 by Uncle Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Every now and again you talk some sense, but then you blow it all away with a sentence like......... If you want a long range vermin gun capable of more than the HMR and well capable of foxes (which myself and many others don't think the HMR is) Look at a .22 Hornet c/fire and moderator What the **** does that actually say/suggest/mean? Can you please break it down for me because I don't understand what you are suggesting! I think what Kent is saying is that if you want a sensibly long range vermin gun that's more capable than the HMR and can also do a better job on Foxes then the lad should try a .22 Hornet. So the Hornet isn't a stupidly long range gun but it's more useful than the HMR. Do you think that if the lad wants a long range bunny gun we should suggest he gets a 7mm Rem Mag? Or perhaps a 6.5-284? I'm sure he has a good realistic chance of getting that on his first application! Keeping things sensible the Hornet isn't a bad suggestion. I've defended your points in the past when people have a go but the above comment just looks like you're trying to be difficult? Is there really any need? There's a big difference between a sensible suggestion for a lad who hasn't got a FAC yet and someone who's been at it for ten years and has a lot of long range field experience and disposable cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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