22 Hornet

[hambone]

not particulary, Balistically they aint worth using once you get out to about normal hornet ranges the heavier higher BC 45grn bullet drops less, takes less wind, holds higher energy and is traveling faster. They would have to shoot seriously well in your gun to make them wortwhile

That makes sens e. Ta

[wymberley]

not particulary, Balistically they aint worth using once you get out to about normal hornet ranges the heavier higher BC 45grn bullet drops less, takes less wind, holds higher energy and is traveling faster. They would have to shoot seriously well in your gun to make them wortwhile

If that is the case, why do you use a bullet with a BC akin to a lead balloon at nothing more than a mediocre velocity?

[njc110381]

I've never really had bad results with my 1-16 twist CZ. It shot 35gr V-Max into 1/2" at 100 yards. Factory S&B shot under an inch and now 45gr Speers hand loaded shoot 1/2" too.

 

Fast twist may come in useful if you want to play around but any bullet you can buy which will fit in the magazine once loaded will be fine in 1-16. The slower twist is good for light bullets and you only need faster if you want to start single loading heavier stuff.

 

Kent's offer of showing you the ropes is one not to be missed. If you're going to buy a Hornet you really should home load for it. They shoot better and you'll save a fortune on ammo costs.

[wymberley]

I've never really had bad results with my 1-16 twist CZ. It shot 35gr V-Max into 1/2" at 100 yards. Factory S&B shot under an inch and now 45gr Speers hand loaded shoot 1/2" too.

 

Fast twist may come in useful if you want to play around but any bullet you can buy which will fit in the magazine once loaded will be fine in 1-16. The slower twist is good for light bullets and you only need faster if you want to start single loading heavier stuff.

 

Kent's offer of showing you the ropes is one not to be missed. If you're going to buy a Hornet you really should home load for it. They shoot better and you'll save a fortune on ammo costs.

Exactly, that's how you do it. Good sensible advice: Not a mandatory instruction which does not tolerate any other opinion.

Good news about the Speer!

[nicholiath]

The CZ's i have been looking at come with a 1 in 16 barrel twist. Is that better for use with lighter 30g varmint bullets.

I have the cz i tried th 30gn berger hollow poits and no matter how fast i pushed them i could not consistantly hit an a4 size target at 100 yds! it shoots 35 and 40 gn no problem.

[kent]

If that is the case, why do you use a bullet with a BC akin to a lead balloon at nothing more than a mediocre velocity?

 

 

I Dont realy know what the heck your talking about here actually. FYI 2900fps with a 45 grn bullet is about as good as it gets from a Hornet. If your reffering to my earlier refferences to the Factory RWS 46grn TMS load that leaves the muzzle at 2550fps remember its droping less and taking less wind than the factory 35 v-max at 200yds even though that round clocked 3050. Above all the numbers accuraccy and predictability is what counts this load is capable of 1/2 moa at 225 yds, now you would have to be seriously anal to think that was bad for a factory rifle with factory ammo off a bipod

 

Its what works for you personally though at the end of the day 35 v-max shoot great (litrally bullet on bullet being the norm) for me on my 50yds rimfire range yet the further i push them rangewise the more they loose the plot at 100 they are just passable but at 200 its hardly worth aiming them. I have to add that in my location up in the hills windages are paramount so this tends to sway my findings towards the better BC bullets as rarely do i ever get true nil wind conditions.

[wymberley]

I Dont realy know what the heck your talking about here actually. FYI 2900fps with a 45 grn bullet is about as good as it gets from a Hornet. If your reffering to my earlier refferences to the Factory RWS 46grn TMS load that leaves the muzzle at 2550fps remember its droping less and taking less wind than the factory 35 v-max at 200yds even though that round clocked 3050. Above all the numbers accuraccy and predictability is what counts this load is capable of 1/2 moa at 225 yds, now you would have to be seriously anal to think that was bad for a factory rifle with factory ammo off a bipod

 

Its what works for you personally though at the end of the day 35 v-max shoot great (litrally bullet on bullet being the norm) for me on my 50yds rimfire range yet the further i push them rangewise the more they loose the plot at 100 they are just passable but at 200 its hardly worth aiming them. I have to add that in my location up in the hills windages are paramount so this tends to sway my findings towards the better BC bullets as rarely do i ever get true nil wind conditions.

 

Could I, please, make a couple of points from my point of view?

 

Firstly, I can't help feeling that you may well know a thing or two but your prose makes it very difficult to understand what on earth you are actually saying. Additionally, it comes across in a particularly dictatorial manner.

 

Secondly, yes, I am referring to the cartridges that you mention; they're hardly state of the art. Now the 2900 ones are something else entirely but I have not seen these mentioned before. I hasten to add that I'm not saying that you haven't, just that as you are so difficult to read I block your posts, only seeing those that are quoted. A pity really because as said you may just know a bit. As an example, I'm dieing to know what that 45 bullet is; unless, of course, it's the 45gr Speer Spitzer

[hambone]

I have the cz i tried th 30gn berger hollow poits and no matter how fast i pushed them i could not consistantly hit an a4 size target at 100 yds! it shoots 35 and 40 gn no problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There you have it another intellegent and useable reply. Ta.

Edited November 10, 2011 by hambone

[hambone]

There you have it another intellegent and useable reply. Ta.

 

 

Just had to get my wife to sort my post out. And it's still not right.

Edited November 10, 2011 by hambone

[kent]

Could I, please, make a couple of points from my point of view?

 

Firstly, I can't help feeling that you may well know a thing or two but your prose makes it very difficult to understand what on earth you are actually saying. Additionally, it comes across in a particularly dictatorial manner.

 

Secondly, yes, I am referring to the cartridges that you mention; they're hardly state of the art. Now the 2900 ones are something else entirely but I have not seen these mentioned before. I hasten to add that I'm not saying that you haven't, just that as you are so difficult to read I block your posts, only seeing those that are quoted. A pity really because as said you may just know a bit. As an example, I'm dieing to know what that 45 bullet is; unless, of course, it's the 45gr Speer Spitzer

 

Then just ask then. Its a 45grn std seirra hornet bullet. Somepeople are obsessed with speed and will sell thier very soul for another 200 fps, so whats state of the art as you seem most impressed with the speed and least impressed by the fact the RWS only run at 2550 ? I supose if i could get hold of the darn things as heads and loaded them to a similar faster speed they would seriously impress you? Fact is they shoot very well indeed and do thier job on quarry perfectly! If they were not so flaming expensive i would run the gun on them full stop I am not a speed freak myself as its only part of the equasion. Dictotorial? in the eye of the beholder perhaps? i always try to learn new ways and ready to be shown new ways, never take things on face value and never speak from heresay only personal experiance. Run with fashion? As experiance shows me that soon shifts you only need to look at the cartidges themselves to realise that .

 

If anyone rates muzzle speed as a high priority in a load i can recomend they don't even look at a Hornet BTW its just not what the cartridge is about