njc110381 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Such a basic way to look at it but so funny at the same time! Harnser, you crack me up sometimes! I wouldn't say that what I said reads as "give the incompetent a bigger hammer". Far from it. Read it how I meant it to sound and how my force see it - yes you can shoot a big Red with a .243 just as you could hammer that fence post in with a toffee hammer, but why? To prove that you can or because you like yor toffee hammer? Whatever the answer fair play to you, but don't knock the people who prefer to use a post rammer on their tractor to get the job done. The problem with .243 shooters, and don't take this the wrong way, is that they see their calibre as the be all and end all of Deer shooting. There are other options - better options in the eyes of some of us. Nobody is trying to say it's not good enough, just that there are other options that may be more forgiving. Bell... He shot more Elephants with his 7mm than I expect the whole of PW ever will. Does that make it the best choice for that quarry? Edited September 29, 2011 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 vice versa NJ you had issues with lots of foxes running with your hornet did you do for a bigger hammer or sort the bullet choice out. The simple fact is most centrefires will kill any deer this country has and that includes all the .22cf's. A .243 with a bullet that doesn't fragment / expand violently has no problem passing through a deers chest cavity large Sika may be the only exception when they have loads of fat on them but it can be done. How happy with the results you are depends how much you mind them running a short way before expiring. If you want them dead on the spot then you have to go far larger than necessary to actually cause the required damage. .243 isn't the be all and end all but its far from underpowered on most deer, I hear what about huge reds on here all the time to justify a large 7mm etc and then the user just shoots roe and muntjac which north of the border is usual .22cf fodder for most peoples stalking a .243 is more than adequate and far more suitable for day to day use on vermin as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I would just like to say that the .243 is an adequate calibre for all deer in this country in the right hands and I emphasis the right hands . As a vermin rifle it is just about as good as it gets . My own opinion on the .243 for the large deer species is that it is marginal at its best and not a calibre that I would use on large deer . I know that some police forces are reluctant to grant the ,308 for deer shooting , for crying out loud why?, is it thought that the .308 is more likely to be miss used ? . My self as a one gun stalker have gone from the mighty .270 to the venerable and reliable .308 . I am of the opinion that the .308 winchester is the best possible all round calibre for the shooting of deer in any part of the world . You wouldnt want to address some of the big mule deer and moose that I have seen in north America with the humble .243 ,it would possibly bounce off . I know ,Iknow most of you would never address a big mule deer or moose in a lifetime of shooting but until very recently I have been doing this on a regular basis . After many years of shooting all types of deer both here and abroad I am convinced of the magic of the mighty .270 and the venerable .308 . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I normally agree with what harsner says but on this occasion I do not - I would bet a sum of money that a 243 round would not bounce off a mule deer.....in fact I doubt it would bounce off any deer! As has been mentioned, elephants have been cleanly killed with reletively small calibers and the have I think pretty much got the winning hide thickness next to a rhino I think.... I would hazard a guess that the most common caliber used on red, Sika and fallow would still be 243 but as I say it would be a guess for the UK, north of the border I would say it is the most common. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I normally agree with what harsner says but on this occasion I do not - I would bet a sum of money that a 243 round would not bounce off a mule deer.....in fact I doubt it would bounce off any deer! As has been mentioned, elephants have been cleanly killed with reletively small calibers and the have I think pretty much got the winning hide thickness next to a rhino I think.... I would hazard a guess that the most common caliber used on red, Sika and fallow would still be 243 but as I say it would be a guess for the UK, north of the border I would say it is the most common. Regards, Gixer Gixer , the bouncing off bit was a joke ,or banter , or Micky take ,or possibly my lack of vocabulary to explain to explain myself . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Gixer , the bouncing off bit was a joke ,or banter , or Micky take ,or possibly my lack of vocabulary to explain to explain myself . ... ....my bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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