vengeance111 Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Don't worry it's all my own land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Where does it say you need DSC 1 ? I dont have one and go shooting deer every week of the season and what is all this bull **** about sound moderators I have never had one on my .2506. .308 or even my .300 WSM and have regularly taken two deer side by side Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Yep a .22 can travel up to 2 miles if shot into the air so always ensure there's a safe back stop! If you're shooting pigeons in a tree stick with your air rifle or get yourself a shotgun (I use a .410 baikal hushpower) - then if you miss/over-penetrate the shot is light enough to be relatively harmless when it comes back down. I have a .22 and 17 HMR - I use the 17 for close range fox control and rabbit, and the .22 for Rabbit - yes guys I'm licened to do so by my issuing force before you start hurling legislation about legal calibre for fox at me! I have a .243 also which I use for long range foxing and deerstalking - you can't shoot deer without a mentor, or unless you have completed a DSC1 (run by BDS or BASC). You also need the permission of the landowner to shoot deer, as well as permission to shoot fox/vermin if you are shooting fox. p.s. Yep you'll need a moderator (or hearing protection) for .243 - I'd reccomend an MAE T12 or an ASE Ultra, I've used both and they're better than the rest! Where does it say in any legislation you need a mentor or a dsc1 to shoot deer Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Where does it say in any legislation you need a mentor or a dsc1 to shoot deer Geordie IT doesn't but the issuing constabulary can put it down on your cert or refuse to grant the calibre/deer until you have. A mates dad lost a gun on renewal until he had completed DSC (it was a 16 bore drilling) and he had to give it to an RFD until he had DSC1 then got it back for deer but only with a mentoring condition (and joined a full bore club to use it for targets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) Sorry mate, I have heard a lot of debate on this forum though about firing .22s in the air, and alot of people seem to say its alright ,and alot say its not and to be honest, I have air rifle pellets heavier than a 17hmr bullet so I was just checking Have a read thru these notes... I'm not having a go... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/173038-safe-shooting/ Edited October 26, 2011 by Robin128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 when I say fire in the air I mean basically straight up, 80/90 degrees What about light aircraft microlights etc. basically with any rifle only shoot when you are sure if you miss your bullet will end up in the mud. Take chances and you will end up in the brown stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 shooting up into trees and the like can be safe depending on location- but i cannot forsee any land in uk that could be safe to do as such with a centrefire, quite simply because you couldnt see far enough to ensure the shot would fall into a safe place. with certain special low powered rimfire ammo it can be safe to kill pigeons roosting in barns. knoledge of what were and how is the important bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I think Kent has hit the nail on the head with that comment. I've shot things out of trees with CB longs before, they only push between 15 and 30ft-lbs depending on brand. Perhaps this guy knows people who do that? I wouldn't be too negative about it all because after all it's better to ask than assume. The lad has done the right thing by asking questions. Personally I'd apply for a .22lr and a 6.5x55. Both are a realistic request for the quarry you would like to shoot. If you have an experienced shot you can spend some time with then make the most of that. Just sit and chat with him for a couple of evenings over a pint in the pub and all will become clear. I should add that I dislike the .243. It's not a bad round, I just prefer the 6.5 for Deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 no offence but if you get a FAC, especially for a centrefire, then i think there is something seriously wrong with the firearms officer that gives you it. Its not a personal attack at you at all but you really need to learn more about firearms before you are let loose with a centrefire rifle. It scares me to think that there are people out there with high powered rifles that dont know if its safe to shoot up in the air or how loud a unmoderated centrefire is. Me to but perhaps aiding the education of such persons is best, we all started somewere. personally i am convinced the cutbacks have lost lots of the more experianced from firearms licencing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I think that the fact he's come on here and asked these questions gives us a bloody good chance of giving him that basic education. That's if the head up their backside crew don't scare him off by ranting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Sorry its as simple as this if you dont know how to drive dont buy a car! the same goes for guns learn about what they do then apply in 6 months or a years time when you dont have to ask others what you want because if you dont know what you want you dont need it. I have played with a few ****** but am not a gynecologist Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) Agree with the above, NEVER fire a rimfire or centrefire PISTOL OR RIFLE where it would go over a safe backstop !! There is a case a few years back where a shot from a POLICE pistol during police live firing on the ranges, ended up hitting a killing a little girl almost 2 miles away in a school playground, as it went over the backstop !! All RF and CF rounds travel at much higher velocities, and much longer trajectories than air rifles and shotguns, and even these you have to be carefull with Edited November 14, 2011 by Redditch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 If thats aimed at me then i think my post must of came across the wrong way. It wasn't aimed at you mate. I was just having a grump because I know how these threads always end up and I can see it coming now! A few people are far too quick to have a dig and scare newbies off that's all. I remember very well one of my first posts here about the .22 rimfire. I thought that .22lr and .22wmr ammo could be used in the same gun but Markbivvy put me straight. He did it politely and was really helpful which was nice. If he'd have just called me stupid I'd still have my FAC, but I probably wouldn't have been such a good and safe shot now because I'd be doing it alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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