njc110381 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 You can, but it will cost more than the Hornet would. Everything that has been mentioned can be done. I just don't see the point in loading down - generally the cartridge designed to do what you want it to will be better than another one that's adapted to do it. The BLC2 load is a perfect example. Ten grains more powder for the same result. Doesn't make sense in my head for a rifle that will be used for bunnies. A rimfire is the best bet for that job but if you are going to run something bigger then it makes sense to choose one that can be used cheaply. This is just a guide but at 25gr you get 280 shots per tub. At 12gr you get 540. That's 7.5p for the Hornet or just over 14p for .223. That's a difference of £6/100, or £60/1000. I've fired I recon 3000 rounds at bunnies with my Hornet - £180 more if I was using a .223 and it sounds like the OP is on a budget. Over the time it's taken that's not a lot, but it all helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 why not just give your mate the cash and let him store it til your variation is sorted, mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 You can, but it will cost more than the Hornet would. Everything that has been mentioned can be done. I just don't see the point in loading down - generally the cartridge designed to do what you want it to will be better than another one that's adapted to do it. The BLC2 load is a perfect example. Ten grains more powder for the same result. Doesn't make sense in my head for a rifle that will be used for bunnies. A rimfire is the best bet for that job but if you are going to run something bigger then it makes sense to choose one that can be used cheaply. This is just a guide but at 25gr you get 280 shots per tub. At 12gr you get 540. That's 7.5p for the Hornet or just over 14p for .223. That's a difference of £6/100, or £60/1000. I've fired I recon 3000 rounds at bunnies with my Hornet - £180 more if I was using a .223 and it sounds like the OP is on a budget. Over the time it's taken that's not a lot, but it all helps. and there is another side to the cost thing, although the powder makes a decent difference over time (remember the hasstle of obtaining and travel to collect) less powder and lower pressures also mean vastly increased barrel life. The big one on useabilty is less powder = easier and more effecient moderation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kent, what the hell are you going on about? Which bit of what again?? I am not and have not suggested half filling any case with any powder, in fact if you stay in your pram a min you will see how I told how different results can be achieved with different types and speeds of powder, in short procede with caution! I would love to know where you get a fact as you imply that lilgun is the most used Hornet powder? Most 410 powders have always been used in Hornet, before lilgun! I agree with you on the case full point, the more a case is full the better, however as that is good guidence it is not a rule. There are many examples where in especially small capacity cases they are not full. A classic is a target loaded 38special. Kent, I never nor did anyone else suggest trying to make a 223 out of a Hornet What is clear here is all the "na" sayers are giving no examples from themselves. I on the other hand have done and continue to do so to this day use sub-loaded ammo. Done correctly it is no more dangerous than accidently mixing up powder choice or getting your bore unwittingly obstructed. I have owned three Hornets,three 222's, two 243's, one 6.5x55, three 30wcf's and two 308W. Home loaded for the lot. Happy now U I have loaded for 4736 different guns - i must be an expert Can't figure out why i aint ever been able to shoot any of them mind :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 If I were a novice reloader I wouldnt want to be downloading as my first experiences of home loading. I would work out a way of getting the Hornet paid for and held by your mate until West Mercia pull there fingers out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 The rifle is a older BRNO Fox. C4H - just want to know the RSC is stable again and get all this paperwork sorted also as its my main land that my ticket is against now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Nothing wrong with those. I assume it's screwcut? That would be a key for me at that price because it would cost a fair bit to get that done on top. Hornets don't seem to shoot out as far as I'm aware, or at least not for tens of thousands of rounds. More than can be said for the larger .22's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Yes its screw cut ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 The rifle is a older BRNO Fox. C4H - just want to know the RSC is stable again and get all this paperwork sorted also as its my main land that my ticket is against now ! If there are no glaringly apparent faults - BUY IT! They are cracking guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Nothing wrong with those. I assume it's screwcut? That would be a key for me at that price because it would cost a fair bit to get that done on top. Hornets don't seem to shoot out as far as I'm aware, or at least not for tens of thousands of rounds. More than can be said for the larger .22's The only thing hornets suffer with is condensation, 2" or so from the chamber, thats where I check hornets for any rust damage/pitting. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Sub load. 18grn H4227, 170grn Speer flat point. CCI BR primer. Remmy sps tac 308. Today. 60yds or so. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Sub load. 18grn H4227, 170grn Speer flat point. CCI BR primer. Remmy sps tac 308. Today. 60yds or so. U. No good for moles then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 No good for moles then! or u-boats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 The only thing hornets suffer with is condensation, 2" or so from the chamber, thats where I check hornets for any rust damage/pitting. U. Funny you say that. Mine's got some pitting there but it still shoots fine with the right load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Funny you say that. Mine's got some pitting there but it still shoots fine with the right load. Nowt to worry about really. I think(!) the little charge does not heat the barrel enough if just the one shot is taken in cold weather and then any water vapour created during combustion condenses on the still cold steel. Thats my theory anyway U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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