beesley121 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Hi guys, Im filling in a FAC apllication but im a bit stuck on a few things. I have a sgc, and want a the fac and sgc ert to run out at the same time. By ticking the yes box, it says i should fill a seperate gun certificate application form. Is this just for people applying for a sgc at the same time as a FAC? How much do i need to send with my application? Regarding convictions, it says on renewal or variaion, only convictions since existing cert need to be given. As a sgc holder, do i need to tell them anything ive already told them and they already know about from when i applied for my sgc? On the 'details of firearms and ammunition' sheet, do i need to tell them about my shotguns or can i just write none? do i need to send more passport pictures in with my application, if so how many and do they need to be signed on the back thanx in advance Edited April 27, 2012 by beesley121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Hi guys, Im filling in a FAC apllication but im a bit stuck on a few things. I have a sgc, and want a the fac and sgc ert to run out at the same time. By ticking the yes box, it says i should fill a seperate gun certificate application form. Is this just for people applying for a sgc at the same time as a FAC? When you apply for co-terminus certificates, you need to apply for a FAC and renew your SGC at the same time. The SGC renewal is pretty much the same as an initial grant, so you have to fill in all the forms for that too. How much do i need to send with my application? It should tell you on the paperwork, I'm fairly sure it's £60 for a co-terminus application, but do check. Regarding convictions, it says on renewal or variaion, only convictions since existing cert need to be given. As a sgc holder, do i need to tell them anything ive already told them and they already know about from when i applied for my sgc? You should be OK to put on the form 'nothing since last application', it should be fairly clear to them, though if you want to put them down it will do no harm. On the 'details of firearms and ammunition' sheet, do i need to tell them about my shotguns or can i just write none? I assume you are meaning where it asks about firearms already owned. I think you'll need to fill it in for your SGC renewal with any shotguns you have, but for your FAC application you have nothing to put down so leave it blank. do i need to send more passport pictures in with my application, if so how many and do they need to be signed on the back 4 photos for each application. Read the application notes, as I recall you sign and date one photo for each application, your SGC countersignature signs one confirming that it's a true likeness of you, and each referee for your FAC does the same. I think the wording is 'I certify that this is a true likeness of [name of applicant], date and signature. thanx in advance Have a good read of all the application notes, and don't worry too much. When your FEO comes for your interview he (or she) will go through any errors on your application with you and sort it all out, as long as there is nothing major you'll be fine. Edited April 27, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 thanx for the reply bedwards!! they cetainly dont make it easy though, didnt think i would have to done another application for my shotgun cert too!! so i need 8 photos, do i now need 3 referees too (1 for shotgun cert, 2 for fac) oh well. it will work out cheaper in the long run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Its silly, why can't they incorporate it all onto one cert? a shotgun is a firearm why have two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 2 people, one person for the FAC can also be the countersignature for the SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Its silly, why can't they incorporate it all onto one cert? a shotgun is a firearm why have two? I think they'd like to, and I think it'll happen in time. However shotguns will become S1, so there will be no SGC, and some people won't be able to get a FAC who have a SGC, and some won't bother. We'll have to have a 'good reason' for each shotgun we have, plus no doubt ammo limits as well. The current system isn't perfect, and the paperwork is a real pain to those of us that don't like paperwork - but I think it could be (and will be) worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I think they'd like to, and I think it'll happen in time. However shotguns will become S1, so there will be no SGC, and some people won't be able to get a FAC who have a SGC, and some won't bother. We'll have to have a 'good reason' for each shotgun we have, plus no doubt ammo limits as well. The current system isn't perfect, and the paperwork is a real pain to those of us that don't like paperwork - but I think it could be (and will be) worse! surely someone with a SGC and has gone through all the checks, should be automatically be kind off passsed for a FAC providing they have good reason ie land or a club to shoot at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 surely someone with a SGC and has gone through all the checks, should be automatically be kind off passsed for a FAC providing they have good reason ie land or a club to shoot at Well yes but it doesn't seem to happen that way, you can 'get away' with more when applying for a SGC. People will disagree and go on about it, but in reality it's hard to be refused a SGC, the police have to prove that there is a good reason why you can't have one, with a FAC if they decide they don't like you in some way you won't get one. No doubt people like JonathanL will pipe up saying you can still get one if it goes to court, but in reality they can turn down a FAC application very easily, and it's hard and expensive to get one if they want to make it hard. If shotguns become S1 then you might have to be a member of a club for clays (perhaps after going through a probationary period like rifle clubs), they could possibly bring in land checks for them and issue closed certificates, who knows? Not to mention mentor conditions, having to prove why you need each gun - I need an OU for clays at this club, I need a semi for this, a SxS for that, a different bore for that etc, and go through a variation every time you want a new gun. I'm sure it'll end up like that, the question in when. The current system leaves a lot to be desired, but I'd be careful when pushing for any changes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker3 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Hi guys, Im filling in a FAC apllication but im a bit stuck on a few things. I have a sgc, and want a the fac and sgc ert to run out at the same time. By ticking the yes box, it says i should fill a seperate gun certificate application form. Is this just for people applying for a sgc at the same time as a FAC? if you want to go co term you will have to fill out a sg renewal that will then run for 5 years from it being approved you willlose and remaining time left on your old sgc be it 4 years or what ever you have to do this if you wish to go co term How much do i need to send with my application? you will have to pay for the fac and a sgc renewal at the same time Regarding convictions, it says on renewal or variaion, only convictions since existing cert need to be given. As a sgc holder, do i need to tell them anything ive already told them and they already know about from when i applied for my sgc? best just to tell them everything for all the time it will take On the 'details of firearms and ammunition' sheet, do i need to tell them about my shotguns or can i just write none? just right none as they want to know if you have any firearms not shot guns do i need to send more passport pictures in with my application, if so how many and do they need to be signed on the back you need pictures for both forms and i think you need to sign and date one for each form but i always sign two just incase hope that helps some thanx in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Don't see why they can't combine the two without making shotguns S1. Just require good reason for normal S1 firearms, and also have shotguns on the same FAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Don't see why they can't combine the two without making shotguns S1. Just require good reason for normal S1 firearms, and also have shotguns on the same FAC? i would think that is the way they will do it,but its to simple for this country they will go the long way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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