wolf Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Hi guys need a bit of info – help before I part with hard earned cash. I have had bipods on a few of my rifles over the years, but I now find myself with a AirMagnum 850 which is composite and unfortunately did not come supplied with a swivel stud to add a bipod. So the question is should I buy one, which attaches to the barrel. Iv heard if you do this the point of impact could be shifted by up to 4 inches! Any ideas or thoughts? i was looking at this one Moor info here thanks in advance for any input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_nick Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I think you can still put a stud in a resin stock, its denser than beech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Don't bother with the barrel ones if you have any recoil, useless. If you to put a qd stud in, tap the hole first and then put it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Don't bother with the barrel ones if you have any recoil, useless. If you to put a qd stud in, tap the hole first and then put it in Because it is a co2 gun there is no recoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipster Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Wolf Look at it this way:- They come with both type of fixings, try it first on your barrel if its no good then adapt your stock how ever you can, My mate set his screw in metal epoxy on his synthetic stock and its superb, lots of options realy Slipster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Don't bother with the barrel ones if you have any recoil, useless. If you to put a qd stud in, tap the hole first and then put it in Because it is a co2 gun there is no recoil I didn't bother checking first to be honest, which is why I said "if" My mate has a gunpower stealth, PCP and that has recoil, I know of others which have part mechanical part PC which do also. You learn something new every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Don't bother with the barrel ones if you have any recoil, useless. If you to put a qd stud in, tap the hole first and then put it in Because it is a co2 gun there is no recoil I didn't bother checking first to be honest, which is why I said "if" My mate has a gunpower stealth, PCP and that has recoil, I know of others which have part mechanical part PC which do also. You learn something new every day Gunpower Stealth with recoil? never heard of that before, isnt having no recoil the whole point in having a PCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Gunpower Stealth with recoil? never heard of that before, isnt having no recoil the whole point in having a PCP? Its a funny old design, quite clever, the stealth. You push forward a collar ring until it clicks to expose the load port, and once done the collar retrurns and moves to either side to lock. If I understand the action correctly the trigger releases a collar, spring actuated, which was cocked by the pushing previously. That releases and comes back and strikes the valve on the attached bottle (which is also the stock/comb). I have only ever seen one of these and fired a couple of dozen rounds through one, but to me it has some mechanical recoil, caused by the heavy (compared to say a s410) mechanical valve opening action. Ok its not like a springer, but for a PCP it does move. Might just be me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Your 100% correct pin! you have two main bits.... sorry tech term.. lol one.. is the spring that recoils after you fired... which is the same spring that is used to load.... the second is the pcp bit... ie the valve etc.. it does move on mine... and is great ... I use a bipod with mine but it isnt that much of a nuisance. you do however notice the "kickback" from the spring bit.. but then again thats when pcps were just comming out... i got a mk 1 version... dont think the mk2 or 3 have changed at all apart from some things which i wont mention.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Dont they come with a bipod? Seems fine off the one it comes with, the point was a barrel-clamp one wouldn't be good Very noisy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 They only come with a bipod as a accessory.... mine has one and its fine... 0h yeah.. very very loud.... would have to wrap it in bubble wrap before shooting vermin... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Wolf, The Bipod you have pictured looks very similar to mine. I have it fitted to the front sling swivel so its on my stock I don't think you can do that with your rifle because isn't that where the CO2 cylinder is fitted? I personally would stay well away from a barrel mounted bipod because any pressure applied directly to the barrel must have an effect on it's point of impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 "Every action has an eaqual and opposite re-action" So if you fire a pellet/bullet out of a gun then the recoil will be equal to F=Ma Here endeth the physics........apart from barrel harmonics,about which I know nowt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 When I was younger old folks knew nothing. As I got older they started to make sense, now I am "mature" they speak the dang truth and nothing but the truth. Mr Newton is no exception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 "Every action has an eaqual and opposite re-action" So if you fire a pellet/bullet out of a gun then the recoil will be equal to F=Ma Here endeth the physics........apart from barrel harmonics,about which I know nowt Sooo true, However, perceived recoil is equal to F=Ma-Mass of the projecting device ie the heavier the gun the less the perceived recoil. Pedantic me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcha Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 When I was younger old folks knew nothing. As I got older they started to make sense, now I am "mature" they speak the dang truth and nothing but the truth. Mr Newton is no exception Isn't the "recoil" from a PCP just jetting caused by the pellet leaveing the barrel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Sooo true, However, perceived recoil is equal to F=Ma-Mass of the projecting device ie the heavier the gun the less the perceived recoil. Pedantic me?? It would also have a lot to do with the contact area and pressure between body and firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 When I was younger old folks knew nothing. As I got older they started to make sense, now I am "mature" they speak the dang truth and nothing but the truth. Mr Newton is no exception Isn't the "recoil" from a PCP just jetting caused by the pellet leaveing the barrel? If the only function in the quation was the mass of the pellet, which in the case of the gunpower stealth, it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcha Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 function in the quotation? I'm kinda lot now. My hornet doesn't recoil atall, theres just a very very slight movement which apparently is caused by jetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 U guys are blowing this waay over context lol. Is it really necessary to bring all the physics into it just to prove some guy on a discussion forum wrong lol? This is meant to be pigeonwatch shooting forums, not "lets calculate how to put a rocket into space" lol. Chill out . No offense meant to anyone lol, I think its funny and p.s. I did physics for A-level =D lol. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Wolf,The Bipod you have pictured looks very similar to mine. I have it fitted to the front sling swivel so its on my stock I don't think you can do that with your rifle because isn't that where the CO2 cylinder is fitted? I personally would stay well away from a barrel mounted bipod because any pressure applied directly to the barrel must have an effect on it's point of impact. Cheers mate think that’s the answer I was looking for, going to try the epoxy resin on the stock suggestion ill let you all know how I get on. Ps love the off topic tangent way way into space I think, **** much fun here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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